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Lessons from a Married Sugar Daddy


Upon entering the Sugar Bowl you’ll immediately notice many different flavors of sugar to chose from. One of these savory flavors is that of the married variety. While the married Sugar Daddy may not be for everyone, there are important lessons that any Sugar Baby can take away from their insights.

Lessons from a Married Sugar Daddy:

Master the art of discretion. Without beating around the bush, this is the most vital lesson you will learn and it applies to all other lessons and arrangements, past and present. Learn to forgo wearing lipstick or perfume on dates, which can easily transfer traces of the evenings events. Refraining from showboating your gifts and our relationship publicly, especially in high-risk areas with the threat of running into family or friends. A little common sense goes incredibly far, and is ultimately rewarding for everyone in the arrangement.

Know what you want. Plain and simple, know what you want from your life and from the arrangement.  Be honest in your profile and in person. Don’t waste time with uncertainty or insecurity. If it isn’t for you, that’s fine, but please respectfully step aside and find someone else who is on the same page.

Do not attempt to compete with the family. Save yourself the time of attempting to make comparisons to the current wife. The situation is always more complicated than anyone cares to get into, and you are the escape providing added sweetness to both of your lives, if you will. We ask that you discreetly maintain your stance as  the escape instead of adding fuel to an already existing fire.

Balance the attributes of a true lady. Be patient and understand that there is no room for unnecessary drama — ever. Be flexible and understanding with your time, and remain cognizant of the boundaries and adjustments that will be made to accommodate both of you. When the arrangement has run its course,  understand that when it’s over, it that’s that,  and you must respectfully part ways and move forward with your lives.

Be about more than the money. There is nothing more difficult than trying to genuinely enjoy someone else’s presence and connect, only to gaze into their lovely eyes and see nothing but dollar signs. We understand what type of relationship this is and thoroughly understand the foundation. For the exchange of monetary compensation, we seek your undivided attention and time. Try to  remain in the moment.

Dating a married Sugar Daddy may not be for every Sugar Baby, but for those who can handle the arrangement, the rewards are undeniably sweet.

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    • SDtalkstoomuch says:

      F that unless there is some major sugar involved. The man not getting caught is his issue! This person highlights the pansy part of a cheater instead of the respectable part of a SD. He is asking someone to be an enabler for his fantasy to not get caught. If he feels that way he should hit the gym after and shower there. Dont that on a sweet girl.

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  7. pure-seductress says:

    The question of how an SD/SB relationship is different from prostitution is simple. It’s supply and demand. if the SD wants a SB, they will have to show how well they can provide for that SB. In addition to the gifts that keep the SB close and relatively happy, the SD is also paying the SB for their discretion. If the SD fails to do these things, the SB will likely trade up to someone who will.

    This is not a fee-for-service arrangement like prostitution.

    The SB, if they’re good, will take genuine interest in who the SD is and what they want. The SB will be respectful of the SD’s time and situation without allowing themselves to be disrespected in the process.

  8. alexisjj says:

    Hi 🙂 How is everyone doing? I am well…more or less lol
    I’m here looking for advice, and to hopefully find any SD that are compatible with me. Myself, I am not picky nor do I discriminate 🙂 I am simple an down to earth. I am seeking an allowance of $1000. monthly. All other needs such as dinners or lingerie etc., SD is responsible for.
    I am also seeking an a SD that is genuine. An is not into playing games…meaning sex, or sexual ‘favors’, in order to start our mutual agreement. I do believe we should meet, and communicate, and be honest about our needs. I just stated all of mine lol….except what I enjoy in the bedroom. But that’s for one on one.
    So I would luv some feedback, or even comments on my profile, and any real Daddies, drop me a line, ….I don’t bite…unless you want me too lol 🙂

    Hugs xxo
    J 🙂

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  10. Ms.Princess123 says:

    I am seeking an arrangement in the Los Angeles California area but can travel ?

  11. Joyce says:

    I am humbly asking to be your sugar baby please long term and beyond the money n sex ([email protected]). I am A University student and i really need a sugar daddy that will assist me financially and i can help him in any way he wants (sexual resources) , I am 24 and i want a successful life. I promise to know my place if you married or not. as part of the package i would like the following: a car , monthly allowance, hairdo , school books and stationery.

  12. Joyce says:

    I am humbly asking to be your sugar baby please ([email protected]). I am A University student and i really need a sugar daddy that will assist me financially and i can help him in any way he wants (sexual resources) , I am 24 and i want a successful life. I promise to know my place if you married or not. as part of the package i would like the following: a car , monthly allowance, hairdo , school books and stationery.

    • Customer service rep says:

      I think you need to post this one more time and add in eraser’s with your demands. Those are very important in school.

  13. Joyce says:

    Hi every sugar daddy,

    I am humbly asking to be your sugar baby please ([email protected]). I am A University student and i really need a sugar daddy that will assist me financially and i can help him in any way he wants (sexual resources) , I am 24 and i want a successful life. I promise to know my place if you married or not. as part of the package i would like the following: a car , monthly allowance, hairdo , school books and stationery.

  14. Anonymous says:

    Okay for all of you SD’s that are complaining that it’s all about the money, what did you think this was? Do you know the definition of a SD? OF COURSE it’s all about the money. That is the point of this whole SD, SB relationship. You SD’s are 30 years and older and you didn’t understand that? Younger girls in their 20’s don’t want actual relationships with a 50 year old. If they are even looking your way it’s because of the money. If you want an real relationship with someone who is in their early 20’s, then I’m sorry but you are delusional. Open your eyes. You are a grown man and if you’re married, then that’s terrible. Everyone on here is acting like there’s nothing wrong with the married men being on this site. It’s terrible. And you know it is. You’re basically cheating on your wife with younger women. And I know a lot of you married men are basically giving these young women money in exchange for sex, which, BY THE WAY is illegal. So in conclusion, if you’re a sugar daddy that’s complaining that all your SB wants from you is money, then you’re pretty stupid. And a lot of you men are going to try to say “Well I’ve had a SB once who was nice and did things with me and enjoyed my company etc etc”. She was STILL only there for the money. And I know what I’m talking about because I’m 20 and on this site. It’s definitely strictly about money. We aren’t interested in men 30+ years older than us unless you have money. Either get over it and realize it now, or don’t be a sugardaddy.

    • anonymous says:

      So true. These men want the picture of marriage and want you to pretend to be their faithful girlfriend. LOL For any guys reading this ~ women are on this site for one reason. Don’t kid yourself or your ego….if you didn’t have benjamin’s, you wouldn’t hook up with anyone here.

  15. Dr. plastics says:

    This blog post is right on point. My previous prospective SB should have read this article. This woman had no class when it came to speaking out loud in a restaurant, that what we are doing is both exciting and crazing seeing how I am married when we were in public.
    Also putting down my wife is not a great way to ask for a second date or an allowance. My wife is the one that takes the time and reviews the profiles on here for me.

  16. Sasha says:

    Looking for a kind hearted man who seeks companionship.

  17. Cash says:

    Very well said! Full stop.

  18. Accidental SD says:

    I did not have any desire to become a SD but it appears that I have been on two occasions positioned by young women to be one of theirs.From these experiences, I have drawn some interesting conclusions that may be useful for some or none.

    It’s all about the money. At the base of the relationship for the SB’s I have been engaged with, they needed/wanted things, tuition, world travel, gifts, clothes, experiences that require money…money that they did not have. As it turned out, this is why they engaged with me and it was not on a SB site. Knowing the culture of S/D S/B’s I asked upfront if that is what they were looking for. Both claimed that was not what they were looking for that they just liked older men. They are both well educated and intelligent young women in their early twenties.

    I went out with these women and really enjoyed their company, bought them things because I really liked who they were, was intimate with them and felt like I wanted to have a long relationship with them in whatever form that might take. They were both very engaging and lovely people for whom I had a strong attraction to.

    As it turned out, one already had a SD and didn’t tell me but liked all the things that I was doing for her, and the other revealed to me that she had lied and had a profile on SA and that she really needed money for school.

    In the end, regardless of how they started the relationship, it was all about the money and what the money could get them. It was not in any way about making a real connection with another person. I was somewhat hurt by the deceptions but more importantly it caused me to be thoughtful of what the SD/SB culture is so that I can navigate through meeting women without stumbling upon it again.

    If the basis of the interaction(sorry to be so succinct about the description of the relationship by calling it an interaction), is money, regardless of how you may rationalize it, how is that different from prostitution? I have been reading this forum and I am sure that the women who are SB’s will continue to defend it as different, by rolling out the “got to be a sexual attraction there” explanation as though prostitutes are never sexually attracted to their clients, a huge assumption. Or the “do other things for their SD’s other than sex” explanation. And there is merit to that aspect…except that the premise for it all is an exchange of money.

    Some will say that is how the world works, everyone does something for money. Those would be the defenders of the culture.

    My concern as the SB phenomenom becomes more and more accepted as a way for young women primarily, to advance their stations in life using their youth and sexual appeal to older men, what it may mean for them later in life. As they gain the life experience to understand what it is they did for money, how they may have compromised their integrity, their self worth, their dignity and how it will impact upon the rest of their lives. How if the secret (and it is a secret for many, not all) became known to their husbands, children, friends and employers it would impact upon them.

    I don’t ask these questions without purpose. As it seems to be that I am part of the culture, knowingly or otherwise, I have a responsibility to ensure that I do not contribute to bringing harm to these women in any way today or in the future by perpetuating the behaviours that may create that circumstance for these women.


    • Jaybird923 says:

      Very good post @Accidental but copy and paste it to the new blog “Putting baby in a corner.” This one takes to long to load. you’ll get more response there that’s the one all the regulars are using now.

    • Jim650 says:

      Sorry to hear you had what turned out to be a somewhat negative experience. I have had many arrangements, and a couple were like you described, all about the money – those were short and I ended them as I felt those were not good relationships. However I have had several long term, multi-year arrangements that were really very fulfilling, and it was very clear that the women really liked me as a friend, activity partner, and mentor, and it was most definitely not all about the money. We became best friends and stayed best friends even many years after the arrangement ended (e.g., due to them moving away to graduate school, or getting married). So I think being an SB can be very rewarding and very helpful to many women, and go beyond the financial aspect.

      • LovelyAllie says:

        I totally agree Jim! My SD is such a sweetheart, and we are actually taking time to get to know each other before creating a arrangement!

    • London :* says:

      um… maybe a majority of women are all about the money. and honestly, you’ll never hear the word sugar daddy without money being involved. otherwise he wouldnt be a sugar daddy, he would be a boyfriend. but where you’re wrong, is i feel there are a lot of women who are looking for more than just that empty arrangement, you know? i feel like some of them would honestly LOVE it if there was a genuine connection, great conversation, fun times..not just ”im a beautiful young woman, and you’re a rich older man, im on your arm for a while and you pay me for it” i mean dont get me wrong im sure some think like that too *shrug* but…not every one. some want more. so yes, money is involved…but..its not the most important thing.

  19. RJ Lady says:

    I have had both married and single daddies….

    It is openly discussed in the beginning of any arrangement the terms, including discretion.

    I am always very happy when a married SD tells me that his time with me makes him appreciate his wife more. After years of marriage, passion can be lost but the LOVE is still there… This is something I am told regularly.

    I respect the SDs for being honest and open about their love for their wives, in fact I encourage it… I sometimes jokingly tell them to call me their therapist or therapy session. Keeps them light hearted and comfortable with our arrangement.

    Always respect the home life of your SD, or you will not have one for long.

  20. Mystery says:

    What is the mystery of the deleted posts? Massive gap from July to August

  21. IHF2030 says:

    Time for the Guinness and cashews, again.

  22. mistyunloved says:

    I do not date black men or black females. I would rather my party be married. So now what should I do next……..

  23. Notlikeothergirls says:

    I wanna date a married SD!

  24. Anonymous says:

    First do the women join for free? Second while online you se younger men. I am 65 I want a much older surgar daddy to wine and dine me so I can travel, go out, dancing having fun

  25. Anonymous says:

    I could not agree more and I prefer a married man for a sugar daddy cause I like to spend a limited amount of time with my sugar daddy but not too little but also not too much and there has to be an attraction for looks and personality or I won’t join in at all I have to be able to communicate with my daddy verbally and physically, also I like to enjoy the company in everyway possible but I have to have a sugar daddy who is as flexible as me and plans ahead so we are both able to meet up without consequences to follow so if it’s inconvenient for you or me then don’t bother so I always discuss what where when who and how long ahead of time so we can make it as easy as possible for my daddy and make sure he is comfortable and satisfied with the situation as am I or will not work out I do not want an S&M kinda guy just a normal sexual man who is very good in bed and also likes to just enjoy a sexual encounter everytime we meet for decent compensation and I call the shots on the compensation cause I’m very fair when it comes to that but if I do not enjoy the company of my sugar daddy then the sexual encounters won’t be good at all so won’t happen and if you lie-ball me I know plenty of others who will want to do what I want cause I know my worth I am not a street walker or hooker but it has to be worth my time and body cause my body is a temple it’s my first time on here but as of now I need someone who will just get me back to even and after I am caught up will work out amazing deals and hopefully move forward in our relationship and show each other there is much more to this and not just about money and sex because as an Aquarius I crave stimulating conversations and compassion from my arrangement partner and have to thoroughly enjoy your company and u must have a nice smile with dimples and sweet eyes that don’t freak me out with good head of hair and isn’t fake in anyway what so ever such as nothing fake physically or personality such as if I say something don’t just agree to agree please be yourself because I enjoy the occasional debate between me and my partner and I like understanding men who will of course have an amazing sense of humor and extremely good patience and is very compassionate and listens well as do I and always will til I realize that is slipping away and as it says above when it’s over it’s over so leave it alone don’t get attached do not think about falling for me and leaving your wife for me cause it simply will not happen with me you are my sugar daddy and will remain that way so do not try to turn it into more ya know. I am looking for somebody who wants to help a single hot young girl who is very appreciative of the help she receives and shows it very well if you treat me right that is so if I don’t get what I need I am incapable of giving you what I need so if any of these things I said isn’t you then step on please because your wasting my time and do not fake being into anything I say because eventually the truth will come out and things will end badly instead of civilly and I am not planning on doing this forever but I am planning on making it last for quite sometime I tend to get bored easily I’m not into routine but at the same time If I get out of my comfort zone too much then I will move in to the next thing sorry just how I am I need to have something new every once in awhile it I’ll stray and don’t want to but if your running out of things to talk about it can’t keep things fresh and surprise me sometimes with whatever

  26. Anonymous says:

    Hey guys! I would love some advice on my current situation. Here it is:
    Even though I´ve been a member of the site for well over 5 months now, I have yet to score a date with SD. Mainly due to the lack of time I´ve spent on here. I just moved to a completely different country and had to settle in to a new home, job, language, culture, etc,. I finally clicked with a guy I genuinely would like to get to know. He´s flying into the country in the near future and wants to meet up. Unfortunately he will be staying on the opposite side of the island. I am obviously on this site because I don’t have the current means to facilitate comforts… like a new car. So since I don´t have a car atm, I have no clue how I´ll get to him. I don´t want him to pick me up on the first meeting. Nor do I want to seem like I´m asking for money/accommodations off the bat. I really do just want the opportunity to at least meet and probably have drinks. But how am I supposed to get to him if I have no transportation or place to stay once I get to where he´ll be?? How do I handle this?

    • Anonymous says:

      I would simply have him meet me somewhere near my home,. He doesn’t need to know that it’s near the place u live, this can give you time to walk there and meet him somewhere that he believes is a location that is random although you would know it’s walking distance from your home.

      • London :* says:

        right, what she said, or have him get a hotel thats not on the opposite end of the island… maybe 15 minutes from you. you’ll get a good work out and also a chance to see him 🙂

  27. Sunshine2Serenity says:

    New blog up folks :D.

  28. Anonymous says:

    If one more SB says they are “Sapiosexual” in their profile, I’m gonna lose it!

  29. FlyBoy says:

    Met lovely prospective SB. she is middle 20s and studying apparently. She does not live in my city and we have not been able to meet since first contact 2 – 3 weeks ago.

    Reading the first part, I thought to myself, did josh create a positive blog persona?!!!!!!!!

    Then came the next part

    Out of the blue contact today, she needs help with rent apparently. Want to be helpful but…..unsure if it’s a good play

    How do you say it josh?
    Ahh … yawn!!

    Cheers 🙂

    • SD says:

      ? that was a very insied joke, funny inside your head alone I suspect

    • Josh says:


      I think you are not familiar with blog characters. @FlyBoy is actually a female whose purpose on the blog is to shame any SD who talks about low allowance amounts. She promotes giving free money to SBs because it’s supposedly a “manly” thing to do. So your post caught her attention, and she is trying to make light of it, as usual.

  30. Anonymous says:


    Why did you decide to post under this moniker instead of the other one? 😉

  31. SD says:

    Met lovely prospective SB. she is middle 20s and studying apparently. She does not live in my city and we have not been able to meet since first contact 2 – 3 weeks ago.

    Out of the blue contact today, she needs help with rent apparently. Want to be helpful but…..unsure if it’s a good play

    • OnlineNewbieSD says:

      @SD – If she hadn’t brought up concern over rent in previous conversations, that would be a red-flag to me. No matter how great the first interaction, if she goes silent for 2-3 weeks and only reaches out when she has an issue, you’re probably going to only get messages when she has her hand out…not my type of SB…there are SD who WANT to be that “savior” to a young woman in distress…I think it’s a tactic that’s talked about on the Tumblr threads…

      my two cents…be cautious…but if it’s not a big chunk of change to you, you COULD take a risk and see how it pays…even if it’s just a single play date at least you gave it a shot?!

      • SD says:

        Well we kinda agreed to re-engage after I get some work trips out of the way.The money is quite small (And I wonder why she doesn’t just get a job)….asked her to give me agency info….

      • OnlineNewbieSD says:

        @SD – if she’s comfortable giving you the agency/complex info to pay the bill, she’s a keeper…all too often I see women who do not want to give the information for a direct bill payment…I take that to mean she has “created” the expense to support the demand for cash, not to actually have the bill paid!

    • gentleman soul says:

      This is a remarkably bad idea and a classic play for a scammer.

      Don’t provide money until the arrangement has begun. Has it begun in your eyes ? You could get lucky but I doubt it .

      • ReadyNoVAGirl says:

        Hi. I’ve read a couple of blogs and I’ve noticed that there a few people that comment on almost all of them and they seem to be aggressive towards other bloggers, so I’ve yet to comment on anything.
        Your comment really struck me “Don’t provide money until the arrangement has begun”. I’ve only been on this site for a couple of months but from my perspective I don’t know if you’ve looked at the risks vs rewards close enough. By not helping her you risk losing what has been described as a lovely girl. This leads back to what I call the “Stand off”. Who’s willing to make the first leap of trust. Does the girl jump into something and hope that the SD is being truthful about his support or does the guy step up to the plate and prove that he’s not BSing and initiate the arrangement? I don’t want to jump into bed with someone that may or may not be a good liar about how much they want to bring to this arrangement. I have made the mistake of trusting first and driving over an hour out to see someone on more than a few occasions and when it came time to pony up he came up short in a big way. It made me feel shitty so I personally don’t recommend girls to make that mistake. Also I don’t think the girl should have to ask for sugar. I think the guy should want to help. I’m curious to hear from others on where they stand on the “stand off”.

      • zito says:

        During a stand off, an sb loses every time, if not she has found herself a real sucker

    • flyR says:

      SD The impending first of the month brings quite a few marginal SB’s out of the shadows. Might be good or might be bad.

  32. Josh says:

    Relatively speaking @Josh has lesser time on his hand than the fat you have on your tummy. Ouch!!! Now go find yourself a dildo and do what people do with them.

    • Rocket says:

      Lesser time? I bet you’re shaking with anger in your crusty computer chair since there’s not a new post. Like a drug addict, your irritation has been increasing steadily since you have been denied a new post. You might want to take a break and go outside from your mother’s basement. After having a long session on Chaturbate, it would be wise to get some air and maybe some social interaction with real people.

  33. lovelynyours says:

    That moment when you’re chatting with a pot SD, you see his picture and you KNOW you know him from somewhere, but can’t pinpoint where…. :/

    • OnlineNewbieSD says:

      I’m intrigued…when you get it figured out, you’ll have to share (if you can without revealing too much)…I was messaging a pot just the other day…no message history between the two profiles…she asked for my private pics, I granted and her next message was, “we’ve met for coffee before, do you remember me from my pictures?” and granted me access to her private pics…I DID immediately remember her…conversation changed completely at that point…in a positive direction, by the way!

      • lovelynyours says:

        Ha, that’s cool! I know him and I have never encountered one another in the sugarbowl. I’ll figure it out sooner or later, but it’s nagging at me. It’s like when an actor’s name is on the tip of your tongue but you just can’t get it out, you know?

      • SouthernSB says:

        I just ended up looking at the daughter of my best friend from High School on the blog. I can tell it’s my best friend’s daughter because she looks exactly like my best friend and she lives in the right part of the world. That’s really awkward for me.

      • OnlineNewbieSD says:

        @Southern – now, the BIG question is…do you tell your friend, or reach out to her daughter to make sure she’s doing things right in the Sugar Bowl?

      • lovelynyours says:

        If I figure it out and it isn’t too intrusive, I’ll let you know. We’re messaging as we speak. From the cryptic way he’s gone about talking about who he is so far, though, I doubt I’ll find out until we’re comfortable with one another, and I’m actually beginning to get the sense that this is not something I should share even when I do find out. When I posted I thought it was just an IRL thing, but now I’m starting to think it’s a TV/media thing..

      • lovelynyours says:

        Ooh, yikes, Southern. Online, personally I’d do neither. Unless she’s underage, that is. Simply too awkward for my taste. But that’s just me.

      • SouthernSB says:

        ONSD-I stay out of it. Everyone is grown here and she got a bunch of good profile tips from everyone else. If you think that was awkward, I also ran into the profile of one of my daughter’s childhood friends who just happened to be working at the same sportsbar that she was employed at on a different SD board. I just quit that one, because if I could see her that meant that she could see me, and I didn’t want that to happen.

    • Jaybird923 says:

      I ran into a profile like that in my area. I recognized the pictures but I just couldn’t figure out from where and then it finally came to me.. he was pretending to be the author Edward Klein. I sent him a message calling him by name but I never got a reply lol If you’re going to pretend to be some one else at least don’t use someone famous/popular.

      • lovelynyours says:

        Jay: I’m 99.99% sure he’s not famous – I would have ID’d him pretty easily. He’s not likely in front of a camera, but I feel like he works behind one, on something I’ve seen before. I’m trying not to let the fact that I can’t spot it get to me! I’m not going to push him on it, either – he’s pretty skittish/cautious at the moment. We’ll see what’s what soon enough, since I don’t beat around the bush for long.

        In your case, though – I wouldn’t have expected a reply – people in the entertainment / creative industry are really skittish about being ID’d. Calling him by name without him having given it to you probably made him think you were gonna act more like a fan than a regular person. Had he actually responded and kept talking to you after you called him out, then I’d think something could have been amiss.

        A mentor of mine used an online site (non-sugar) to find a low-key mistress in NYC – and he’s not mega famous by any stretch, but people have heard of him. You’d be surprised at what folks will do if they can get protected by an airtight NDA.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        He was a fake. He no one famous would make their pictures public on a web site like SA

  34. AngelSaysYes says:

    Is it just me or does Josh have a lot of time on his hands?

  35. Josh says:

    If the whole fleet of Gerald Ford class of carriers is taken over by women, there would be no need of urinals anyway. 😉

  36. gentleman soul says:

    You can’t make this stuff up :
    Here’s an 18 yr old who is “Ready for an adventure! ” Substantial . Her appearance belies a $10 K/month salary -maybe more like —um –$400 /month. But at least she states that she is a very affectionate person

    “I am young but very mature professional” Substantial- 21 yr old -a blurry pic of a cutish girl

    • London :* says:

      and what is your point for that post?? because maybe what you’re willing to give says ”negotiable” but your face or arrogance may scream more along the lines of substancial. so… hmm……

    • London :* says:

      and what is your point for that post?? because maybe what you’re willing to give says ”negotiable” but your face or arrogance may scream more along the lines of substancial. hmm……

  37. Josh says:

    The worse element of the SJW’s profile is her condescension toward the men she is supposedly trying to attract.

  38. flyR says:

    Profile failure


    Probably not a slip of the keyboard as it was repeated later ……….

    I forgot if the allowance seeking was moderate or substantial

  39. FunDude says:

    Feminism has turned out to be a total fraud. It was marketed as “equality”, which made sense approximately 40 years ago.

    “Feminists” today basically are supremacists. They like to keep all the traditional benefits for women while taking away all the benefits for men while saddling them with responsibility.

    In essence, modern feminism is all about women getting benefits without responsibility/cost while saddling men with the cost/responsibility with absolutely NO benefit.


    1) Independent woman wants man to pay for dates or “allowances”. She is “independent” in terms of doing anything for the man (cooking, cleaning, etc) but she still wants his money.

    2) Alimony, Divorce, Child support laws are strongly in female favor. Feminists never lobby to have these archaic laws changed. These laws were made when women had no job prospects to protect them in case the husband divorced. Now they are just used to financially rape a man even if she cheats on him.

    3) Affirmative Action in the job market and academia

    4) “Equal” Pay for UNEQUAL work. Women want “equal” pay while doing far easier work at better hours. They also like all the “nice” jobs like CEO, President, etc while never petitioning for garbage man, plumber, etc.

    • flyR says:

      FunD illuminates only part of the problem.

      The Navy ( at the insistence of the Obama Adm) has gone to war , not against ISIS or the Taliban but agains that supreme symbol of male dominance – the urinal. They have decreed that these symbols of sexual differences are to be removed from all ships so as to no offense women .

      Never mind that the urinal performs far better than a toilet on a rolling ship, symbolism is far more important than reality.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        LOL I love how you twist everything into being Obama’s fault. First this is old news from 2012. Second the navy made the decision for a couple of reasons that nothing to do with Obama or his administration.

        1) it’s more efficent because they can easily change the bathrooms from male to female to accommodate the crew

        2)urinal drain pipes clog more than toilets do and are smellier

        3) urinals are more expensive to maintain by getting rid of them the navy will save a lot of money in maintenance fees

      • flyR says:


        If there was a 3 strikes rule you would be out of the game on this one.

        Let me share some thoughts with you from years of offshore sailing, a limited amount of blue water sailing on a carrier and decades of working on the design, development and operation of buildings.

        A – Urinals are far more efficient than toilets , especially on a rolling boat , with foul weather gear or a flight suit. . Efficient in that they take less space , are not enclosed and they require less time to use.

        B- Urnial drain pipes only conduct liquids . So long as cigarette butts are not added they simply do not clog.

        C- I can assure you that when men stand and pee into toilets there’s much more overspray than using urinals

        But in this PC world nothing counts but PC and the deceptions on which it rides.

      • zito says:

        @flyr I would only counter that a urinal can clog from calcium buildup in the pipe from the pee, but other than that you are correct, they are much more efficient than a toilet for peeing

      • Jaybird923 says:

        @flyR you completely ignored everything I said lol. Of course urinals are easier to use for men but that has nothing to do with the points I brought up. Which by the way are the reasons provided by Captain Chris Meyer, manager of the Future Aircraft Carriers Program for the Naval Sea Systems Command for why they made the decision to change the urinals to toilets. Try agin FlyR :-))

      • flyR says:

        Jay Jay

        Yes you are probably quoting the Navy Capt . correctly, he is saying exactly what his superiors want said because the prez and friends are holding funding hostage . When Carla Hultgreen (aka Revlon) was struggling to fly the F-14 both members of congress and senior navy were calling her instructors on a daily basis to make sure she was not cut from the program despite having blown a couple of checks. She was a very adequate A-6 pilot but congresswomen wanted a female F-14 pilot to be the next top gun star. There is nothing demeaning about not being up to fly the F-14 ( it’s far beyond me) but reality is a harsh mistress and we have killed too many people in the name of political correctness.

  40. Josh says:

    I am glad that others are finally adopting Guru’s approach in some fashion.

    It’s been a while since the Guru stopped helping SBs before assessing their attitude toward life and more importantly toward men.

    Such SBs should be discouraged and booted off instead.

  41. Josh says:


    This article from 2014 has only 417 comments. Maybe we should hang out on older pages that don’t have many comments. 😉

  42. Josh says:

    This 20 year-old “Mixed” idiot wants Substantial as well:

    “About Me

    I’m a girly girl mi favorite color is pink I’m 19 years of age I’m biracial, mut -Asian black indian…-I love to be outgoing I love being people’s vent basically allowing people to come to me if they have an issue and giving advice and no its not an occupation lol.

    What I’m looking for

    I love it when people spend money on me this is my first time doing this but I’m sure I will enjoy it.i can be very freaky at times but I do respect my boundaries at appropriate times.”

    • Jaybird923 says:

      This is why I’ve been more selective about who I help with profiles lately. I was starting to feel like I was part of the problem. People come here with their shitty profiles full of bad attitudes,entitled mentalities, etc. And we teach them how to disguise who they are in their profiles.

      Rewriting a profile doesn’t change the person. It just makes it harder for SDs to screen them. That’s why I am only helping those that already have the right attitude/mentality and just need a little help refining their profile.

      • cryptic anomaly says:

        I have been feeling the same way Jaybird, besides no matter how great a profile is if they can’t keep a SD’s attention via messages then it’s not going to work anyway.

      • OnlineNewbieSD says:

        @Jay – I agree…I’m done helping, unless she’s got the right attitude to start…she needs to contribute to the blog to express her attitude before I’ll take a look…who’m I kidding, I’m gonna look right away, I’m just not gonna help until she shows what her attitude is…

      • Jaybird923 says:

        @Online I can’t resist looking either :-)) I just don’t comment as often anymore. And the drive by bloggers are getting old. You want help from the community become a useful contributing member of it.

        @Cryptic I agree they most likely will reveal themselves during the messaging stage but it would be even better if you didn’t waste your time with them in the first place. Maybe if they were getting no response at all they’d stay off the site completely. We need to weed out the undesirables on both sides of the sugar bowl.

      • Sunshine2serenity says:

        That’s a really good approach to take. Especially considering a lot of people come here, ask for advice and then give excuses for not taking it. A lot of the information has been discussed already or is easy to find on the internet. Drafting is fine and getting an idea of what sections sound funny is good but a lot of people seem to come on here with pretty bare profiles.

      • lovelynyours says:

        Yes, I like this approach as well.

    • FunDude says:

      Good opinion. “Helping” them actually makes things worse.

    • SouthernSB says:

      Ugh, that’s one of the worst profiles I have ever seen in my entire life. I know what you mean, I would never help someone like that either. She isn’t intelligent plus she is totally entitled. Substantial, really? I can’t even tell how this person finished H.S. and if she didn’t finish and got her GED, than the test really needs to be harder.

  43. Josh says:

    This idiot wants Substantial along with a trust fund:

    “About Me

    I’m an artist seeking philanthropist/s to create a trust fund to enable social enterprise (in Canada, if that matters to you). I care about art supplies and having a place to artwork so don’t take it personally when I say I have no interest in any romantic relationships. *Romantic is used euphemistically here to indicate sexual, interpersonal = Philanthropist, not lover. It’s not you, it’s the Art. You don’t want to date an artist. The bank won’t add a contingency to the trust fund that will make it happen. We live in different worlds. Period. EDIT: I’ve moved north of Tarannah, where the rent is slightly more affordable.

    What I’m looking for

    You’re a philanthropist, social justice warrior, radical feminist, or possibly an anarchist. Maybe you’re just a privileged person who wants to balance the playing field a little without doing any of the work, or you want to piss off your bigot daddy. Maybe you hate marginalized people and feel you might be absolved of that bad attitude if you throw some cash after it. Whatever. If you’re in a position to make financial resources available to intersectionally address a number of socio-economic disadvantages for a bunch of marginalized people, let’s talk about engineering some social enterprise. Matthieu Ricard: “Jason Silva aims to redefine the word ‘Billionaire’…What if being a Billionaire meant more than earning a Billion dollars? What if it meant solving problems that impact a billion lives on the planet?” If you have no idea what any of these words mean, I sincerely wish you all the best but don’t waste our time by contacting me!”

    • IHF2030 says:

      Wow, she wants a platonic relationship with a wealthy social justice warrior? What a fucking moron that one is, yikes.

    • AnonSD says:

      The simplest way to deal with these time-wasters is to make the SBs do more of the work, as they well should do, given that SDs are the ones offering money. Don’t read SB profiles until they send you a message. Then delete and block them if they have a profile like this. At least she’s upfront about not wanting sex. A lot better than the candy-covered turds, the ones who flaunt their sexuality and then turn out to be uninterested in sex AFTER you waste a lot of time getting to meet them.

      • Anonymous says:

        Her profile as a social justice warrior, but her picture is just her breasts. She’s full of shit.

    • Sunshine2Serenity says:

      So uhhh if a billionaire wants to save a billion lives or help the disadvantaged why wouldn’t he send money to Africa? He can make one person see for $20. It’s very weird to talk about saving and changing lives when you want charity in a developed country.

      • cryptic anomaly says:

        @s2s- But what point does that serve? The SB still doesn’t get to eat a meal that costs $1000!

      • Sunshine2serenity says:

        One problem doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do something about another but whenever someone talks directly about charity I always think of [http://www.givewell.org/]. Why on earth if I was an SD would I want to be charitable to someone (especially in Aus) who can get state assistance? I understand wanting to help someone with their goals and dreams because you know them but the whole idea that it’s “charity” just makes me roll my eyes. Especially seeing the tumblr stuff.

    • lovelynyours says:

      Using Jason Silva in an SB profile is akin to blasphemy. Genius guy, moronic woman.

    • FunDude says:

      You can’t make that shit up.

      What is she doing on SA? She should be trying to go to art galas for her “fundraising” campaign.

    • SouthernSB says:

      OMGoodness that poor thing. She has no idea what a SB is. She’s totally hopeless isn’t she?

  44. rembodler says:

    @Abundantly me
    I read your profile, just for fun.
    I can certainly see your boobs. I cannot see your face. I hope you have it in your private photos.
    I also looked at what else is available in your area. I wish you well finding Moderate.
    Yes, there is J.Lo and Jennifer Aniston. But I have hard time keep counting…
    Good luck, you will need it.

    • Abundantly Me says:

      Gee, why didn’t I think of that? My face!! Thanks, Rembodler…whatever would I do without men like you??… Why didn’t you just ask to look at the private photos? It’s not like I would cream my panties and hit refresh every 30 seconds hoping for a message just because you requested to see my private photos.

  45. A_SB says:

    @Josh’s perspective on non-White women sounds totally pervert and quite condescending.

  46. Josh says:


    Feminists like me mistakenly believed that when women said that they wanted to be treated with respect, it was a two-way street…but alas! 🙁

    • cryptic anomaly says:

      I agree. The odd thing it is usually me trying to get to know them while they are quoting me their rates.

      A female journalist down here a few months ago actually made it quite clear women don’t want to be treated equally to men, they want to be treated better.

  47. Catcher 22 says:

    @ALL: I believe ONSD already asked this, but I am a premium SD member, yet my search results include some blurred out SB profiles labeled “Premium Member Access Only. Upgrade to view profile.”

    What is going on with this? Is this a new search “feature” ?

    • Sunshine2Serenity says:

      I’m wondering if they’re doing a cross over with PA. Put in verified women and make guys buy diamond to access.

  48. cryptic anomaly says:

    Exchanged a couples of messages last night with a woman, she wasn’t very good with communication and in the end I was just asking her what she wanted etc out of sheer curiosity, here is word for word what she came back with..

    “dont treat me like a hooker if you know what i mean, you play and lick me and make me cum, and cash.”

    I’m having trouble holding back the sarcasm on this one…

    • zito says:

      thats kinda selfish cryptic….no mention of her pleasuring you…lol

    • Jaybird923 says:

      @Cryptic lol well look at the bright side, you’re always saying you don’t like when a woman doesn’t know what she wants… at least this one does

    • Lovelynyours says:

      Gross. Why do women who come off as hookers expect to be treated as anything but?

      • cryptic anomaly says:

        @Jay & Lovely – Yes, I do want them to know what they want! Even though I don’t want her it still made it easier so all good!

        Yeah I thought the hooker part was funny as well especially as she finished off with cash! That really cracked me up, it’s like paying someone to mow their lawn!

  49. Josh says:

    Sorry to burst your bubble, but get over yourself. You’re fucking 50 year-old. It’s kinda like six packs on an eighty years old man.

    How many women care for six packs on an eighty year-old?

    • Abundantly Me says:

      Hahahaha!!! That’s okay, Josh. One day you will be 50 years old and full of yourself and wondering why the fuck 50 years old is thought of as a bad thing. Good news for you – it isn’t a bad thing. I hope you come to know that. I wish you well and I hope that growing older doesn’t throw you into a terrible depression because you think you are no longer relevant to the opposite sex.

      PS…didn’t you just give instructions on how to post a reply to these comments? Get it together, man!

  50. Josh says:

    The only good thing about under 21 girls is that they cannot drink. That saves me money on the idiotic “drinks” women generally order.

    • Jaybird923 says:

      I have no idea how people drink those things. I Like my drinks simple give me a Jameson and coke and I’m good.

  51. Josh says:


    Sorry to hear about your delete issue. 🙁

    • Elaine says:

      Thanks @Josh, let it be a warning for other people who think they have “deleted” their profile!

      And never believe the bs numbers SA is constantly flaunting.
      4,5 mill. members? ROFLMAO!!
      And how many of them are “deleted” or even simply abandoned?

      The little credibility SA had left, is for me totally gone now.
      And I really start doubting their reliability in other matters too now…

      • OnlineNewbieSD says:

        I have always operated under the concept that once you’ve posted something it will last forever, because SOMEONE is capturing that information and saving it or using it for research or archiving it or SOMETHING! It completely sucks that your profile was reverted and could complicate things for you…here is where SA is not doing service to those members who are having some success…let’s hope the AM fiasco and this incident find their way to someone with a sense of decency on the SA staff and things change…

        especially when EVEN @FunDude said it’s really NOT about the ratio…

  52. Josh says:

    You’re DEFINITELY an eye candy for an eighty year-old. 😉

  53. Elaine says:

    So ok, I completely deleted my SA profile a month ago.
    At least, that is what I thought, and what was the procedure.

    I had a good reason to delete.
    And my cancellation was clearly confirmed by SA.

    But just today I found out that my profile was NEVER deleted!!
    They had just removed the pictures and had replaced my very first profile text of years ago back.
    All “viewed me” are gone, exept 3 views, and all messages are gone too,

    So now I look like an idiot (and worse, a liar!) to the person for whom I had “cancelled” my profile!
    It didn’t turn out well, he is new, and a little suspicious about “golddiggers”, he suddenly completely changed his mind about “us” and now I am really thinking this played a role…
    He is never going to believe me I am afraid.
    I mean; someone is telling you she has deleted her profile for you, and then you see this profile, without pics, but with the same description and nickname still up all the time!?
    And she is telling you it was SA who has not deleted it, even if she did?

    Thanks SA!! Great job…

    Since a long time I am complaining about SA marketing techniques and inflated member numbers, but if THIS is the way they do it, trusting that people who delete their profile will never check back anymore, then they are as bad and unreliable as A.M.!

    • lovelynyours says:

      Oh, no… that’s horrible. I’m so sorry.

      Do you still have the email confirming your deletion? I’d forward that to the guy. I’d also send him the link to the AM scandal, so that at least he can know that it really does happen with these kinds of sites. 🙁

      • Elaine says:


        Just checked, have never received a mail from SA about the cancellation.
        It is really weird…

        Because pics and messages etc actually ARE deleted.
        And if they would have left my last profile up, it wouldn’t have been that bad, but my very first profiletext was refferring to a kink I was experimenting with that days.

        And that is something he doesn’t know, and for sure doesn’t like!
        He is so plain vanilla…

        First time in years I delete my profile for someone because it had everything in it to become a RL no sugar relationship … and then this s*it happens!

      • lovelynyours says:

        Hm. Did you get a reactivation email when you logged in to see what had happened? When I deactivated briefly for the SD I was seeing, I think I got a welcome back email once I logged in again and reactivated after I decided I was okay with not being exclusive. That’s the only suggestion I have for you. Search in your email and spam for an email with the subject “Reactivate Your SeekingArrangement Account”. If you can forward that to him, it’ll at least prove that all this time it was deactivated.

      • Elaine says:

        Only now I realize I never have received such mail, but since it was the first time in all those years I deleted my profile, I didn’t even know to expect such mail…

        So, started to doubt if I had followed the delete procedure well, but if not, why else then was everything deleted, apart from exactly THAT text?

        Have send him a handwritten letter to explain, with a gift for his upcoming birthday.

        Hope it helps.
        It is really important to me.

      • OnlineNewbieSD says:

        Good Luck @Elaine…I hope he understands you were TRYING to do right…

      • Elaine says:

        Thanks @Online,

        Yes I hope so too!

        But anycase, SA majorly fucked up! 🙁

  54. Josh says:


    I would not believe a single word you say. Maybe the most recent SDs are decently perceptive.

  55. Josh says:

    @Abundantly Me

    Your profile reads weird. Very few women ever learn how to be with their men. Otherwise they would not be initiating divorce from them at all ages. Younger women would like such profiles more than men would.

    That said, see how the current profile works and soften it as needed.

  56. Josh says:

    @Abundantly Me

    Your profile reads weird. Very few women ever learn how to be with their men. Otherwise they would not be initiating divorce from them at all ages.

    • Abundantly Me says:

      Can you please tell me what part reads weird? Are you asking me, in a very tactful way, why I have 2 failed marriages if I am so awesome? 🙂 You must be, because I can’t speak for “they”.
      Let me tell you a little story to illustrate my ability to get along with men…
      I spent last week at the home my second husband and I own (which my older son lives in) house-sitting with my first husband while my son was on vacation. On day 2, my second husband dropped off my younger son to spend a few weeks with his brother.
      No hanky-panky with the ex, not even subtle flirting… Just a nice, relaxing week.

  57. Reb. says:

    Fellows SBs, do you get asked on the first date if you have a boyfriend? For some reason, I keep getting asked (Like the last 5 guys I met). If I had a boyfriend, I wouldn’t be on the site! When I say no, they doubt me and then we argue if I’m telling the truth. It is just weird.

    • JamminJ2015 says:

      I’ve talked to or met several women who have boyfriends on SA. Quite frankly, most ladies lie about it believing it will affect their chances of establishing an arrangement negatively. They’re probably right. Lol! I personally don’t care if a sb has a bf. I will ask all pot sb’s though and let them know it’s ok if they do have one.

    • Sunshine2Serenity says:

      I don’t get the point of them asking. I don’t have a BF or anyone I’m seeing non sugar but they ask and then think I’m lying lol.

      It’s so much easier to sugar without those kind of entanglements.

  58. gentleman soul says:

    @ Abundantly Me

    I like your profile- it invokes some nice images and possibilities.
    I agree that your size is at most Average if not slim -certainly not extra tonnage.

    I think Moderate is a little optimistic in the allowance department at your age . As a 60 yr old guy I see you as an IRL GF rather than an SB. Negotiable would be better leaving you open to any amount from 1 to 10 K/month.

    Good luck

    • Abundantly Me says:

      Thank you for your input.
      Is there a site like this for IRL GF’s?? Heck yes, I would prefer to be an IRF GF!

      I had my profile at Negotiable, then I read that it sounds kind of escort-ish and I had people asking me how much of an allowance I was hoping for and both of those scenarios made me feel awkward. I thought about Practical, but, if I take trips, that means I am not working as much and will need to make up the income somewhere. I settled on Moderate because that is more than enough to pay all of my bills for a month, and make sure that I am knock out stunning for my SD. I am also available to spend a great deal of time with my SD.
      If a pot SD doesn’t have Moderate in his budget, or my company isn’t required very often, then I am absolutely willing to negotiate.

      I don’t think that Moderate is optimistic for my age. I am eye candy PLUS intelligence, experience and grace. 😉

      • AnonSD says:

        I’ve said this several times here, but the difference between escort and SB is mutual attraction. The escort will have sex with men she does not find sexually attractive, simply for the money. The SB will not. AbundantlyMe is pretty clearly in the SB camp.

        The reason men pay for sex is there is a shortage of sexually attractive women who want sex versus men who want sex, and that excess of male sex desire is what drives both the escort and SB markets. A SB should normally cost LESS than a comparable escort because she is being paid for sex she enjoys AND she doesn’t have the risks associated with escorting AND she can expect a steady rather than an unreliable stream of income, assuming the arrangement is lasting. The correct way to price a SB is thus to first consider what a comparable escort would cost, then reduce somewhat. (If the man falls in love with the SB, logic no longer applies and sky is the limit for what he will pay.)

        In the Everett area for quality escorts in their 40’s, we’d be looking at maybe $1000 initially for a 3 hours meet, reduced to $500 eventually for steady and non-troublesome customers (the only thing better than a steady and non-troublesome customer is a customer for whom the escort feels genuine sexual attraction, at which point the escort falls in the SB category). AbundantlyMe is offering 8 meets a month, so $500/meet * 8 gives $4000/month, which is within the moderate range, so I don’t think she is completely out of line, though I don’t expect her to find it easy to get that amount of money.

        If I were interested in AbundantlyMe, I would have no problem with $4000/month initially for 8 meets/month. Assuming mutual attraction and assuming I can satisfy the woman sexually, the woman is almost sure to fall in love with me based on my past experience, which gives me negotiating power to reduce the rate. In my case, I would reduce to $2000/month, because that is my long-term budget for women, but I could see other guys pushing the rate down still further, especially someone like AbundantlyMe. There is a huge supply of attractive divorcees around age 50 in the regular dating market, who are asking nothing other than that the man be able to support himself and pay normal dating expenses. These divorcees are necessarily easy to get, because they have to find the man attractive, but then that is also a requirement for true SBs (as opposed to escorts, as I have repeated over and over again).

        Bottom line, I think AbundantlyMe can leave the expectation at moderate but she shouldn’t make plans based on the assumption she will receive that rate every month for years to come. In other words, she better not plan on quitting her day job anytime soon.

      • AnonSD says:

        … divorcees are NOT necessarily easy to get…
        Forum needs an editing feature…

    • Abundantly Me says:

      Thank you, AnonSD! I don’t want to be a SB for years. 🙂

  59. Abundantly Me says:

    May I please have some input regarding my profile? I don’t think I’m very happy with it yet. I’d be happy to give access to my private photos. Thank you!

    • Abundantly Me says:

      Maybe I should read luxury car ads to figure out how to say what I can offer my SD. Hmmmm…. 😉

    • lovelynyours says:

      I like it. Good imagery and I appreciate your writing style. You have a voice, and I think the best profiles convey that.

      If your photos are accurate (and I can’t see your private pics, so there’s that), you seem more slim or average than “a few extra pounds”. Any reasoning behind why you put that?

    • Traveling Man says:

      Hi I think your profile is nice and shows your enthusiasm for life, maybe coming on a bit strongly with quite a bit of text to read. Also, you are absolutely NOT. “a few extra pounds”, you could easily pass for Slim on this SA site, good luck!

    • AnonSD says:

      Based on your photos, you’re a few extra pounds in the literal sense that you might feel better about yourself if you lost 2 or 3 lbs, but for most women in the dating world “few extra pounds” means obese, with a huge roll of blubber spilling from the gut. I recommend adding a bikini picture, without the face if you want to remain private, in your public photos with the date of the photo clearly written on it. I’m assuming you would wear a bikini at the beach, so that photo is not revealing anything you don’t already reveal to all the world. Ask one of your children how to write a date on the photo using a photo-editing program if you don’t know now (maybe show you using another photo, so as not to arouse unwanted curiosity about your personal life). I suspect you’re also being honest about your age. Honesty about both age and weight, what an unusual person you are!

    • Reb. says:

      No offense, but your profile is kind of a snooze fest. You should up the sex kitten because mentioning sitting on the couch will not get these guys excited and dying to meet you.

      • zito says:

        I am ok with the couch comment…it beats the hell out of….spoil like a princess like I deserve

    • Abundantly Me says:

      Thank you so much for all of your comments. I will change my profile to Average and obtain a picture of myself in a bikini with a date on it. I actually have an app on my phone that adds the date stamp for work in case my camera’s battery fails in the field!

  60. lovelynyours says:

    Just heard back from SA. They’ll have a blog post up this week, though the staff member didn’t specify when exactly; she just said that they’re working through an influx of guest blog posts submitted last week.

  61. Josh says:

    If you’ll are so fond of hitting the Reply link then please click on the first Reply link always. This way the text will not scoot all the way to right.

  62. GeorgiaPeach12 says:

    It’s MONDAY, a NEW week!
    We REALLY need a new topic, new page.
    Some folks here having difficulties even loading this one now.

    Help us out, PLEASE.

    And BTW, how about an update on the new FORUM? Any idea when it will be ready?

    • lovelynyours says:

      I just put in a note directly to a member of the press team since the admin hasn’t been responding to our inquiries in the thread – here’s hoping that we’ll get some insight soon.

  63. Josh says:

    “A large majority of SDs are older white men – very few of them will find you attractive so you are going to have to sell what you bring to the table, not what they need to do for you.”

    Most of the SBs who have been coming here lately looking for advice are AA/Black. If the gross ration between men and women is 1:8 then the gross ratio between White men interested in AA/Black women would be 1:100 (who knows what that number is but it is high).

    I wonder what makes them think that a White man would want to “spoil” them and treat them like “princess” until her gets to know them?

    What to speak of non-White woman, a typical White man does not want to treat a White woman like a “princess” or “spoil” them.

    Now as a non-White woman if you can satisfy some of his kinks…many of them would be submissive in nature…then THAT might turn odds in non-White woman’s favor.

    • H says:

      Ouch…I am not sure where you get the data for that opinion. I would simply contend that the SB is not the most attractive period.Ethnicity is really not the point.

      • Anonymous says:

        true and compounded by the fact that many people prefer to date within their race. There are a number of legitimate studies on that.

      • lovelynyours says:

        Anon, take a look. Not sure what the research methodology was for this survey, but provides something to think about, at least. Given we’re discussing on a sugar site, I’m much more interested to know what millionaires’ perspectives/thoughts are on interracial dating than I am in whether people in general prefer to date within or outside of their race. There are many millionaires interested in dating within their race, but perhaps they’re not in the majority anymore.

      • lovelynyours says:

        Anon, take a look. Not sure what the research methodology was for this survey, but provides something to think about, at least. Given we’re discussing on a sugar site, I’m much more interested to know what millionaires’ perspectives/thoughts are on interracial dating than I am in whether people in general prefer to date within or outside of their race. There are many millionaires interested in dating within their race, but perhaps they’re not in the majority anymore.

      • lovelynyours says:

        Ohhh, weeeaaaaak. I just noticed the moderators deleted the link I had under my post about millionaire’s dating preferences. It was a survey conducted, or maybe just shared, by Luxy. I guess they couldn’t stand the possibility of being directed to their pseudo-competition. *eye roll*

        Poor form, SA – poor form.

      • IHF2030 says:

        Hmm, my comment is awaiting moderation.

    • Traveling Man says:

      lol @Josh! The Princess and Spoiling comments are extremely boring! Let the guy decide how much spoiling will come if you are great together

    • A_SB says:

      wow, this is a biased and offensive comment for non-Caucasian women. I understand US where majority of SD/SB on this site is, has quite a systematic racial segregation in the society, and the media full of racial bias.
      The last part is esp.offensive non-Caucasian can only provide ‘kinks’ ‘submissive nature’? so they have no intelligence or characters, personalities as individual person? this is a very racist comment.

    • Dani says:

      you have no idea how racist, self-centered and stupid you sound.
      It’s understood why some people pay to join sites like this. Wondering how successful a topless man who comments on a forum all day.
      Not my SD whose too busy building his next complex

  64. Princess Bria says:

    I’m curious .. is it because I’m only 19 going on 20 ? sugar daddies will look at my profile but I won’t get a message back or they just look at my profile and keep it moving

    • Jaybird923 says:

      They look at your profile and keep moving. Your profile sucks. You come off as frivolous and self centered. And the line about the tattoos is ridiculous. You don’t know your audience.

    • NC Gent says:

      You are too young for most SDs. Your profile mostly talks about your needs. You don’t sat anything about what you will do for an SD, which makes you come across as entitled. A large majority of SDs are older white men – very few of them will find you attractive so you are going to have to sell what you bring to the table, not what they need to do for you.

    • NC Gent says:

      You are too young for most SDs. Your profile mostly talks about your needs. You don’t say anything about what you will do for an SD, which makes you come across as entitled. A large majority of SDs are older white men – very few of them will find you attractive so you are going to have to sell what you bring to the table, not what they need to do for you.

    • Anonymous says:

      Hi Bria, i have had 3 AA SB as an older white guy, and have met many more, it has all been great, your profile is OK, maybe could be more clear about what you are looking for and clear overall body shot in a nice dress. I can be nervous about 18 or 19 yrs old, just cause they may be younger than that, less free, etc

  65. Sugar Baby says:

    can yall give me advice on how to improve my profile? thanks loves <3

    • Bartolo says:

      This is a challenge — what do men who have a budget look for from an 18 yr old who “lives up in the dorms?” I have no frickin’ idea.

      • Anonymous says:

        “I was essentially implying that 18 and 19 year olds don’t have a lot to bring to the table except their bodies”

        Bingo ! That is exactly what a lot of SDs are looking for. Everyone here is into the “find a soul mate” type of connection . Most guys want simply an uncomplicated liaison

        Sugar Baby –Lose the girl in your arms and post two pics -one of you in a bikini and one in a sundress. Please don’t include your pals in the pic or do a selfie in the bathroom. You are cute -you should do well !

      • NC Gent says:

        I am not looking for a soul mate, but I am looking for someone I can converse with. If I just wanted a vagina and a pulse, I would hire an escort, which I guess a lot of “SDs” are seeking.

      • lovelynyours says:

        No, that’s not what real SDs are looking for. That is what johns are looking for. It’s also what johns posing as SDs are looking for. An SD relationship, arrangement, whatever you prefer to call it, requires a level of emotional connection. Soulmate? Not even. But you must be familiar with, connect with, and know on some level, the person you are intimate with. Some view an SB as a part-time girlfriend, others are actually looking for full-blown romance. Regardless, at BARE minimum, you’re supposed to feel like that SB is your friend. I don’t understand why some don’t get that this is the difference between sugar and prostitution.

      • NC Gent says:

        that is why I put SDs in quotation marks 🙂

      • Anonymous says:

        So you are saying that “Sugar Baby” can not function as a SB because she is too young and only has her body to sell ? So “go back to school,join a Sorority ,and grow up a little more ? Why would you think that an older man wouldn’t enjoy a young girl’s company -even beyond the physical act ? Pretty presumptuous I would say.

      • lovelynyours says:

        I threw the rushing in there as a tongue-in-cheek way to represent all collegiate, carefree activities. I’m not implying that rushing is the solution. I’ve already stated the reasons as to why a genuine connection between a girl fresh out of high school and a 40, 50 year old man may prove rather difficult as a general, widely accepted rule. It isn’t without its few exceptions, but holds water nonetheless.

      • IHF2030 says:

        I don’t want a sb is not old enough to legally go into a bar with me to have a drink. Thank Zeus the drinking age here is 19.

    • Jaybird923 says:


    • lovelynyours says:

      I usually would be happy to help, but – christ, you’re so young. You’re probably right out of high school, just like my kid sister, and I…just can’t do it. I can’t help but think about how many men are going to try to take advantage of you, or what dreadful shenanigans you’re going to feel like you have to put up with by being a sugarbaby, and all I can think in terms of advice for you is: delete your account and go rush a sorority or something instead. Truly. At least keep your innocence for at least another year or two.

      I know that won’t be a popular position on this comment thread, but I can’t help but feel you’ll be used more like an escort than a sugarbaby, sweetheart – and at your age, that can really do something to you that’s perhaps difficult to undo..

      • zito says:

        @lovely…I think you are 100% correct, hopefully she takes your advice

      • Reb. says:

        Which is worse.. dating a 50 year old to fund her Victoria Secret and Forever 21 shopping sprees or having sloppy one night stands with drunk 20 year olds who end up breaking her heart? (Lol)

      • Jaybird923 says:

        While I believe this advice is coming from a good place, I find it to be a bit patronizing. Especially when she didn’t ask for it. You guys made a bunch of assumptions about someone you know nothing about.

        You assume she’s naive and guliable. You assume she’s inexperienced. You assume she’s not smart enough to have done her research before deciding to join the site. All you to do is go on instagram or tumblr to see that most of the 18-19 year olds know exactly what they are doing. (not implying that she’s on that level)

      • Bartolo says:

        @Lovely is exactly right. Just because the OP is some number of weeks above the age of majority does not compell us to embrace her efforts.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        @Bartolo I’m assuming you’re referring to my comment. I never said anyone should embrace her efforts. I said you guys are making a lot of assumptions about a stranger. You can choose not to help her because you think she’s too young. That’s perfectly fine.

        Even at 18 I never made decisions without considering all the pros and cons and I would’ve resented being preached to. If you notice I didn’t give her any advice either but I did give her a link to do her own research. If she wants to do this it’s her choice whether I agree with her or not.

      • lovelynyours says:

        I don’t think tumblr and instagram posts are an accurate reflection of all of the goings on inside the sugar bowl, so I’m sure there are plenty of 18 and 19 year olds who are a bit more lost and have had dreadful experiences as a result. We could debate naivete, gullibility, experience and the like as they correlate to age, but it’s really not here nor there when it comes to my argument.

        So let me clarify. I was essentially implying that 18 and 19 year olds don’t have a lot to bring to the table except their bodies. When a 40 year old man is looking for an 18 year old, I can tell you that friendship and companionship is going to be the furthest from his mind – not even on the list of priorities. Fresh out of high school: what will they have to talk about? What life experiences will she be able to share that he’ll be interested in? Will they even be able to understand one another or resonate with each other in any way? There’s a long list of disconnects that come about at that age that mean one thing: there is not likely to be a connection outside of “hey, this girl is cute and isn’t argumentative or rude. I can stand being around her for an hour or two. I’ll just nod and smile til we can get back to the hotel room.” That’s not sugaring, that’s escorting, IMO. And often times men treat SBs differently than escorts. Because of that connection that’s supposed to be in the relationship, there’s a level of respect that isn’t always there otherwise.

        Does this happen to older women who perhaps don’t have anything to bring to the table? Sure. But I think as an older woman, perhaps they can also handle it better; they’re confident enough and have encountered enough men that the wealthy older man is perhaps not as intimidating to them so they’re not as pliable to men who may be less respectful; they’ve been around the block a lot more. I argue that perhaps it’s not as damaging for a 30 year old as it would be for an 18 year old who just a few months ago, was concerned about misplacing her lunch money or getting caught skipping 3rd period.

        So as I said, being treated like an escort at that young of an age can do something to you. It’s not really about gullibility; it’s about compatibility – the cornerstone and key to the difference between sugaring and escorting. Having had friends who used online sugar sites back in college (not SA, if I recall) I’ve been witness to what being treated like an escort can do to a girl that age, and I guess I just wanted to protect at least one person from that. Patronizing or no. :/

      • zito says:

        @lovely….BINGO….”When a 40 year old man is looking for an 18 year old, I can tell you that friendship and companionship is going to be the furthest from his mind – not even on the list of priorities. Fresh out of high school: what will they have to talk about? What life experiences will she be able to share that he’ll be interested in? Will they even be able to understand one another or resonate with each other in any way?”

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Like I said I know it was coming from a good place but it’s still all based on assumptions. Even the follow up response is all assumptions. It’s not based on anything she’s said or done.

        But I don’t want this to become one of those unnecessary back and forth debates that serve no purpose.I’ve stated my opinion you’ve started yours. Hopefully she comes back and we can get more details and information from her about her situation.

      • lovelynyours says:

        Lastly, I don’t see it as choosing not to help her, Jay. I see it as choosing to help her the only way I know how in this circumstance – by advising that she not dive into the sugar bowl just yet. May not be the help she wanted, but perhaps it’s help that’ll be more useful to her happiness, well-being and sense of self worth (the latter of which is SO fragile at that age – it can be VERY difficult for a girl that age not to interpret receiving $X for her body, which is essentially what happens when there’s no real connection, as how much her body is truly worth).

      • lovelynyours says:

        Well, sure, you’re right – she didn’t explicitly say she wouldn’t be able to connect emotionally with an older man, etc. But I don’t think anyone would say that, really. I do agree with you that it’s based on assumptions, but in this case, I’m actually comfortable with that. Perhaps that’s not reasonable, but having served as a mentor for girls 17-20 for the past 7 years, I’ve seen my fair share – I guess I’m coming at it from a different, perhaps biased, lens. 🙂

      • lovelynyours says:

        Sorry, past 4 years. Numberpad slip. Is anyone else having trouble/glitches in replying to comments?

      • zito says:

        @lovely you are coming at it from a more experienced point of view, so your assumptions are more of a hypothesis, and not just random chatter

      • Jaybird923 says:

        @Lovely I know you’re trying to help her. My problem is that we are applying general advice based on assumptions to one individual that we know nothing about besides the fact she just turned 18. I personally don’t think any one under 21 should be on SA but they are. and it’s legal.

        I have told people before that I don’t think this is the place for them but that was based on what they had to say after interacting with them And not judt on my personal beliefs and opinions.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        I totally understand our personal experiences have a way of coloring our views. I get it 🙂

      • lovelynyours says:

        I get that, Jay! 🙂

      • OnlineNewbieSD says:

        @lovely – I appreciate your perspective…and I would support that position…however…coming from my experience with Student…you’re pushing her to “learn” from the experiences with people her own age, guys who most would agree are mostly focused on self-gratification, who are more interested in getting their dick wet than telling about STD/i, who notch bedposts and have the walk of shame (especially with the sorority reference)…how is that any different than a domineering 40yo SD experience? At least with the SD experience she’s got a couple hundred in her pocket (at least) for the trouble, maybe a decent dinner at Golden Corral, a gift card to VS, etc…

        I’m NOT saying I agree with her being in the Sugar Bowl, but if her virginity is gone and she has had some exploration already sexually, she SHOULD have some success with the late 30s to mid 40s SD crowd…in fact, I would encourage her (if she decides she wants to stay in the Sugar Bowl) to look for that age range…married…where the allowance would cover her college (maybe even have her tuition paid directly to the school by SD)…screen HEAVILY with initial coffee meetings where there are NO EXPECTATIONS for gifts or sex…mandate testing before there is ANY sex…then decide on a wonderful younger SD to take care of her school and help her explore her sexuality…then, when she graduates, she’ll know what SHE likes sexually, how to please a man sexually and she can transition to a more age appropriate relationship that could transition to the married, kids, etc.

        Thinking that she’s NOT going to get fucked over by guys her own age while in school is a MAJOR assumption on anyone’s part…at least in the Sugar Bowl she’s got an opportunity to GET something from the experiences.

        She should, however, be VERY CAREFUL and SECURITY CONSCIOUS with her Sugar Life! Make sure she’s using anonymous email accounts, phone numbers and she should let a friend/roommate know she’s headed out (she should have some reasons like mentoring, scholarship, internship, etc.) and when to expect her back…

        @Sugar Baby – if you want more on security and help with selection of a SD, let me know onsdthrowaway at gmail dot com.

        You CAN have a WONDERFUL Sugar experience, but you NEED to be careful not to be taken into the sex trade, fall into the escort trade (unless you’re ready to move to a local brothel) or anything else!

      • lovelynyours says:

        I get what you’re saying, and I think your advice, should she decide to go that route, is very sound. But I think the difference between getting hurt by a college boy and being treated like an escort by an older, wealthy man have different effects psychologically – especially when the latter involves the power structure that can often come into play when there’s money involved. I’ll give you a true story example.

        As many of you know, I fell into two SD relationships in college. They were both IRL, and I didn’t even know what a sugarbaby was the first time around. I told a couple of my housemates about my SD, and they were intrigued, so they eventually went online to to a sugar dating site to find a SD, too.

        One of them wound up chatting with a guy who was 45. They went out on a date (he picked her up), they went to dinner, then he asked if she wanted to go somewhere to talk, and she said sure. He wound up driving to a hotel, booked a room. She didn’t know that’s what he had in mind, but she was shy/intimidated and figured maybe this was what was supposed to happen, so she didn’t speak up. She wanted him to like her, after all. After they fooled around, he dropped her off and claimed he forgot to go to the bank, so he gave her maybe 4 or 5 crumpled one dollar bills and the spare change in the compartment of his car.

        She came in and told us what happened very calmly and nonchalantly, but I noticed when she slipped the money in the trash. And she cried for days after that. Weeks later, she’d try to laugh it off, but I remember there was a spark she had in her that disappeared for months.

        She wouldn’t talk about how she felt at length after that, but I’ve never forgotten the look on her face when she walked in the door that night. We were both 19.

        Obviously errors were made; she could have been more assertive. But that’s to be expected when you’re a young girl like that. The money-body-value aspect can do something to you when you’re a young girl, and it’s scarring in a way that messing around with a silly, reckless college boy may not be.

      • lovelynyours says:

        To be clear, she wasn’t crying because he gave her 4 dollars and change. She told me she hadn’t expected to get money at all and she would rather he hadn’t given her anything. She was crying and had a haunted look in her eyes because she now believed that he, the first real adult she’d ever had sex with that wasn’t a silly college boy, thought she was only worth 4 dollars and change. And she kept trying to wrack her brain to figure out what was so wrong with her that she’d be worth 4 dollars and change. She couldn’t separate the money from her own worth as a person.

      • OnlineNewbieSD says:

        @lovely – you confirmed a bit for me…if she’s going to naively dabble in Sugar at 18, she’s going to have the shit experiences…you stumbled into a wonderful experience…instead of asking more questions, doing what you did to stumble into the situation themselves, they dove right into the deep end and she hit a rock…it will happen…although, I think there is just as big an issue with a 18-19yo freshman/sophomore going to a frat party and getting fucked over by one of more guys as she’s barely conscious (or not at all conscious) as just as demeaning and “light dimming” as the guy tossing her a couple of bucks after pumping and dumping her…both situations are DIVING into the sexual experience pool…both could be dangerous because of hidden obstacles…not to mention the sexually transmitted shit that could be caught in either circumstance!

        Let’s encourage research, proper profiles that will attract the right attention, better screening and communication to verify the depth of the water and support from the blog/forum (hopefully soon) so young women can have a supportive, exciting, positive experience with an older man (or older men if things don’t work out, as can happen with any situation)…let’s not just say “go live and grow up” because she could end up hitting the frat obstacle and be hurt even worse than getting a 5-spot at the end of intimacy!

      • OnlineNewbieSD says:

        @lovely – I get that, that’s actually where I was headed with my comments as well…

        Let’s TEACH though…help her make a decision, rather than TELL and let her dive into a “different” end of the dating pool, wrought with its own hidden obstacles…

        Of course…this also goes as SUPPORT for all your comments about the escort/john discussion…that douchebag your friend encountered should have been reported and removed from SA…as should ANYONE treating this as an escort/john opportunity! It says in capital letters on the site “IF YOU ARE AN ESCORT DO NOT USE THIS SITE” Anyone that finds a backpage, eros, sexcia, whatever else escort profile on a SA member should be reported and removed…

        There is something to be said for the ratio “helping” growth…there is also something to be said for the quality supporting members! Let’s ALL (okay those of us looking for a more traditional SD/SB situation) fight the QUALITY fight, because we can’t fight the ratio fight…We do that through reporting improper use of the site, supporting other members through the blog and forum (hopefully) and adding value to each member as we can…

      • lovelynyours says:

        I can get behind that, Online. My instinct is to still tell them to flee the site – if they want a quality experience with an older, wealthy man, they can find one in a traditional relationship rather than in sugar – but I definitely understand what you’re saying and I can support that.

        To be clear, I don’t think she used SA – I don’t even know if SA was around then; wasn’t familiar with the online scene. I don’t remember the name, just that the homepage was violently yellow, I think.

    • NC Gent says:

      Go have fun at college a few years… have your bff hold your hair while you puke your guts out…. make a few bad decisions and learn from them, and then come back here when you have grown up a little bit.

    • Josh says:

      I am assuming that you’re the one in red as the one in blue is no slim woman.

      • OnlineNewbieSD says:

        @Josh – I was thinking that…and even the other girl in the picture wasn’t obviously “slim” from the angle of the picture…

    • Jaybird923 says:

      Hopefully today is the day we get a new blog.

    • THEATLSD says:

      @sugar baby
      Listen to Lovely’s advice and quit reading the crap on Tumblr and Instagram.

      • OnlineNewbieSD says:

        @ATL – I didn’t get where SHE was reading the Tumblr and Instagram, it was being used as an example of how the younger crowd can be drawn to the lifestyle…

    • Anonymous says:

      “If there is mutual attraction, then a true SB/SD relationship is possible, otherwise it’s escort/john.” Anon SD

      Here’s another misguided statement . How much true mutual attraction is there between a 25 yr old and a 50 yr old ? Seriously ? So for an older SD to have a much younger SB is a John/escort relationship ? Mutual trust or respect might develop between them -but attraction ? Not likely .

      • lovelynyours says:

        Read the rest of the thread and you’ll find several examples from different SBs that prove you wrong.

      • Anonymous says:

        As will there be between an 18 yr old and a 50 ? Many non blog girls are out there looking for some help with their school expenses and are willing to “take one for the team ” and are not attracted to an obese ,bald 50 yr old I’m sure. Some are working a book of business and inadvertently become hookers-true dat-as are some of you ladies

      • lovelynyours says:

        If they’re not at all attracted in any way to their SD, if they’re “working a book of business”, they are not SBs. They are prostitutes. Period. Again, you seem not to understand the nature of an SB relationship.

      • Anonymous says:

        Been a John for years ,now an SD for years. The lines are very blurred -I’ll give you that . Some SBs here sound more like GFs . In my book ,An SB who sees more than one SD is escorting. Actually, I saw an escort for about 10 yrs -pretty regularly . We cared about each other ,conversed in between gigs ,and had mutual attraction . She saw multiple guys . Does that mean she was an SB and not an escort ? Naw ! She called herself an escort. But by your definition she would qualify as an SB.

      • lovelynyours says:

        No, she wouldn’t. I said, “If they’re not at all attracted in any way to their SD, if they’re “working a book of business”, they are not SBs.”

        I understand now why you don’t see the difference – you’re part of the group of people that blur that line for so many and stray the sugar bowl away from what it’s actually supposed to be and what it was originally. There are many more differences than the number of men you see, or whether you text in between “meetings”. Did you and your prostitute hang out outside of sex? Did she accompany you to events, or bring you soup when you were sick, or meet any of your friends? Did you ever veg out on the couch, relax out on a rooftop or patio, or travel together? Was there ever a time when you saw each other and didn’t get intimate? Did she actually care for you, or was she just paid to pretend?

        That’s the point. While we are not gfs, SBs are more like gfs than prostitutes on the spectrum. The difference is that we are part-time, and we get gifts, allowance, etc. as a thank-you for not nagging, not keeping tabs on you, not making you check in, not playing mindgames with you, not expecting marriage or babies or even commitment, being available at your beck and call, always being completely okay with your slammed schedule, playing the role you want us to play (friend, confidant, assistant, mentee, partner in crime), being your sounding board and your bedroom fantasy, as much or as little as you desire. And looking sexy as hell while doing it. That’s what SBs are “compensated” for. Prostitutes are simply compensated for sex. And real SBs don’t even like the term compensation, because what we do is not a business.

        I’m not trying to attack you personally, but one of the general problems that is often brought up is that johns (and prostitutes) won’t stick to backpages. Instead, they roll up to the sugar bowl, which is really quite different, and taint the pool with behavior and mentalities based on false conceptions, or even no conception at all, of what SB relationships/arrangements are supposed to be. Makes everyone look bad to the public and creating depressing, unfulfilling experiences for unsuspecting men AND women as a result. But now I digress, so I’ll stop there.

      • Anonymous says:

        one of the general problems that is often brought up is that johns (and prostitutes) won’t stick to backpages.

        You describe a lovely ideal Lovely ,but it is not feasible for everyone . You are like the new neighbor who wants to roll up the welcome carpet after you have your place in the hood . Everybody doesn’t need or want the same thing that you do . There is room in the bowl for everyone . An escort ,by your definition sees men for money and sex but doesn’t care about her “Customer”, but a real SB can see multiple guys and she is not an escort because she Cares about each and every one . The bottom line ,a guy who wants a less involved relationship with his girl than getting texts and gifts and non sexual meetings at the opera ,but wants one girl , deserves more than being told to go on Back Page and get a Hooker. How arrogant !

      • Jaybird923 says:

        @Lovely Amen! lol but seriously well said. Sd/sb relationships aren’t a new concept. These types of arrangements have always existed. It just goes by a different name now a days. But the premise remains the same in spite of the fact that people insist on trying to redefine it into something it’s not. Good job of explaining the differences.

      • lovelynyours says:

        Anon, I don’t think your analogy makes sense. This hood has never had a welcome mat for johns and escorts. You have a place in a hood, just not this hood. That hood is backpages. You’re looking to pay a woman for sex. Okay; far be it for me to judge. But men like you, paired with women who are escorts and dating site companies that don’t put enough effort into educating people appropriately in the interests of maximizing membership revenues, all contribute to a poor experience for SDs and SBs, women and men who are NOT simply looking for sex via money or money for sex.

        Some SBs have two SDs. I believe that it is possible to care for, connect with, and build a strong foundation of friendship and companionship with two men. Most prefer to stick to one and that makes a lot of sense to me. But you’ll never find an SB who has 10, because that is not an SB. That is a hooker, my friend. There is no way you can build a strong foundation of friendship and companionship with 10 men – there aren’t enough hours in the day and you can’t be everywhere at once. So all the tenets that comprise an SB relationship must be lacking in that scenario and therefore she is not an SB, I don’t care what she tries to call herself.

        You’re right – that’s not feasible for everyone. That’s why there’s backpages. Sugar isn’t for everyone and it’s not supposed to be. It isn’t for women who stupidly think they can get an allowance just for looking pretty and popping open their legs or giving a handy now and again. It isn’t for men who think SBs are simply here for their amusement or entertainment and don’t have to put in the effort to connect with them or make them feel wanted for more than just their bodies. It isn’t for men, or women, who aren’t interested in building a genuine connection with the person they’re sleeping with.

        It is not an ideal, or about what my preference is, it is the standard, one that seems to be increasingly cast aside by some people as the influx from backpages and instagram increases. And those who cannot or do not want to meet the standard aren’t awful or inferior people at all. But they certainly have no business being here & putting off genuine, quality, serious SBs and SDs with their john and escort mentalities. While I’m at it:

        They have no business speaking to reporters and giving quotes, or taking interviews, or representing themselves in any way, public or private, as SDs or SBs.

        They have no business posting to social media or contributing to forums under the masks of SDs or SBs.

        Because that is not what they are.

        Long story short, yes, SB relationships differ from couple to couple. Some don’t include travel, some do; some include the opera, some include hiking or a comedy show; some are affairs, some aren’t; some are romantic and exclusive, some are more casual. But if it is an SB relationship/ arrangement, they ALL include a connection, friendship, companionship component. Period. You want to just pay a woman for sex, that’s absolutely your prerogative, I wish you the very best, and I hope you live in a place where you can’t get arrested for it. But you are not in the right place for that, here. And the sooner johns and escorts realize that, the better off everyone’s experience will be.

        Ha, thanks, Jay!

      • lovelynyours says:

        Christ, that was long. :/ Sorry, all. I think I’ve said everything I need to say on this matter, in the interests of not beating dead horses or writing further novels.

      • Anonymous says:

        But they certainly have no business being here & putting off genuine, quality, serious SBs and SDs with their john and escort mentalities.

        Egads ! You are bull headed and exhausting Lovely ! And you are close minded . Your type (of woman) is exactly the reason I am on SA to find an uncomplicated low maintenance girl who is happy to shut the hell up and make love ,not war . LOL I can get this at home. See Ya !

      • lovelynyours says:

        Lol, and yet, here I am, on SA! 😉

        I know men like you believe women should be seen and not heard – and it seems more that in your case, your irritation is simply a function of not having the intellectual capacity to keep up and having no material rebuttal because deep down, you know you’re in the wrong place, too – but hey, none of this surprises me. You are just a john, after all. Best of luck to you, and do be a dear and try not to gross out too many women while you’re at it, hm?

      • AnonSD says:

        Not many women are going to be attracted to you, Anonymous, because you come acress as a jerk. Regarding fat bald and age 50, you can’t do anything about the last two, though that doesn’t stop guys like Jason Statham from being very physically attractive. Fatness is your own fault and can be easily fixed.

        You’re getting caught up on labels. I detest the term “sugar baby” and would prefer “mistress”, and that’s what I mean when I write SB. Mistresses were traditionally women who were financially supported by rich men in exchange for sex, without the requirement of marriage. Quality mistresses were in high demand and so could choose the man or men they slept with. They didn’t just take all comers like common prostitutes, nor did the more refined mistresses sell themselves to the highest bidder. Some men wanted exclusive access to their mistresses, others actually enjoyed sharing with other men because that is one more taboo to break. My impression is that what SA is facilitating is a modern-day version of these traditional mistress arrangements.

        If you had a lasting relationship involving mutual attraction with that escort, then I’d say it was borderline mistress territory, except that most women who work as escorts for any length of time become very burned out psychologically and thus incapable of normal relationships with men after a while. Also, I have to wonder about the sort of women who’d be attracted to a guy like you, at least based on how you come across in your comments.

        There is NOT room in the bowl for everyone. Backpage is for the escorts, this site is for the SBs. That is, women who expect to be treated similarly to how they would be on a regular dating site, except they understand they won’t get everything they would from a regular boyfriend, and they might be the other woman for a married man, and marriage and children is very unlikely, and they’ll have to do more of the work than with a regular relationship, etc. So yes, you do get something from a SB arrangement that you don’t get from your wife. In exchange for all these concessions, the SB gets money and/or gifts. SBs who are doing it right, however, do not cross the line into having sex with men they don’t feel genuine sexual attraction for, and because of that, they should be treated more respect than appear to be showing.

        As for the SDs, they have an obligation to make themselves sexually desirable and to behave like a gentlemen, and that is what distinguishes a SB from a john. Asking a SB “how much for an hour half-and-half finish up with a facial?” in the first email is NOT behaving like a true SD. If you want to act like that, go to backpage.

    • gentleman soul says:


      Guys ! In my medium market of some 20000 coeds within 50 miles 13/ 20 SBs are under 21 and that is the 1st page only . I didn’t feel like doing the math on a representative sample but each page is similar. You are all acting like these girls just crawled onto SA out of middle school.

      Lobby congress to pass a law against sugaring before mental maturity at 26 ,but stop acting like you are appalled when two teens pop up for advice. Speak for yourself if you are not interested in the 18 to 26 yr old group.

      Otherwise give the girls advice how to buff their profiles and get allowance for nothing . Trust me when I say ,this age group knows how to rinse SDs with the best of them .

      • lovelynyours says:

        I don’t think the sheer volume of SBs, who are targeted by SA with free premium profiles and the promise of all kinds of shiny things for being pretty, adds to the argument. And we were discussing young girls who crawled out of high school (18, 19), not 26 year olds. I don’t think anyone mentioned anyone over 21 even once.

        I don’t know why you’d encourage rinsing when so many SDs (rightfully) complain about that being the reason why they’re annoyed with SA and that contributing to the poor quality of SBs.

      • gentleman soul says:

        That was tongue in cheek Lovely. This young population of girls has had experiences you and I only dreamed about in college. Most naifs are not going to open a profile on SA. Here’s an excerpt from a 19 yr old in my market . “I’ve always wanted to try a group sex arrangement, like all guys and me..I’d love to be shared..gangbangs sounds so hot ” Yeah -19 yrs old . I wouldn’t know where to start with this one -would you ? Would you mentor her to get off SA, grow up a little more ,then come back when she’s 26 ?

        I love mentoring this age group . I treat them with respect and love , and teach them techniques that will last them a life time . So the blog corp is going to come up with a proper protocol for breaking these girls in safely ?

      • lovelynyours says:

        The kind of sex you’re into doesn’t dictate whether you’re mentally prepared for the possibility of being treated like a hooker and/or feeling devalued as a person. You can like gangbangs, like BDSM, love missionary vanilla, or maybe farting in cakes gets you hot (Yes. Apparently that is a thing. I don’t advise you look it up. Curiosity killed the cat for me).

        Or maybe they’re just posting the things that they think will attract attention to their profiles and the types of things they think guys will find sexy. I’m not going to speculate on that, but having worked with girls at that age extensively, it’s not outside the realm of possibility nor probability. Kids minds work in weird ways. And yeah, I do consider an 18 or 19 year old to be a kid, right to vote be damned.

        I’m sure you do like to mentor, and that’s great. But are you the rule or the exception when it comes to the group of men who want 18 and 19 year old SBs? For reference, I’m 27. By 23, I was standing red-faced and toe-to-toe with some of the surliest and most influential traders on Wall Street and was responsible for pitching and execution on billion-dollar transactions, which required a great deal of maturity and “growing up” rather quickly. My point is that I think it’s possible for a girl in her 20s to handle whatever the sugar bowl throws her way, assuming she’s been out in the world a bit – so let’s leave the 26 year olds out of this, lol. 😉

        Genuine question, gent: have you had an 18 or 19 year old SB? What was your experience like?

      • gentleman soul says:

        I have had a few ,and they are monumentally immature .I do try to stay in the early 20s to about 29. It is amazing how much difference a year or two makes . From a maturity standpoint I think 21 should be the minimum age for participation in Sugar .

      • lovelynyours says:

        It is amazing, isn’t it? It makes sense when you think about it, though – a 7 year difference is huge when you’re talking about a jump between 12 and 19. That 7 years is over 1/3 of a 19 year old’s entire life. Similar thing happens with an 18 year old becoming a 25 year old. A TON happens in those 7 years developmentally when compared to a 50 year old vs. a 57 year old.

    • AnonSD says:

      I frequently get inquires from SBs like this, but I reject them all because I know they will just waste my time. I would advise other SDs to do the same and I’m surprised anyone is taking her seriously. If she was from overseas, I would suspect scammer. American girls like this are mostly just attention whores.

  66. Josh says:

    @Finland Sugar Baby,

    “I am not offended by a dirty joke and can dish out one of my own. I am independent but far from being a feminist. Sarcasm is a spice of life, so bring it on.”

    110 SBs other than you have these exact same sentences in their profiles. What made you plagiarize them in your profil?

  67. Josh says:


    You need to have a heart-to-heart conversation about supply and demand with @FunDude. 😉

  68. SouthernSB says:

    In melanin news: A sixty-five year old woman asked me yesterday if I was over 18. I wasn’t at a bar.

    • Josh says:

      Come again @SouthernSB. What did 65 year-old woman told to whom?

      • SouthernSB says:

        See Josh- I wrote that one just for you. This woman who was in her 60’s asked me if I was over 18.

      • hototrot1 says:

        My grandparents took me gambling for my 21st birthday. My mom went with us. Guess who got carded? Mom. So awkward!

    • Josh says:

      I just wanted to confirm because it sounded eerily similar to what happened to me the other day. A senile 65-something man had asked me if I were over 28.

  69. SouthernSB says:

    This format stinks, I can’t keep up with what everyone is talking about.

  70. flyR says:


    We’ll be at 2 THOUSAND comments shortly PLEEEEZ no topic needed just a new page

  71. flyR says:

    RE: Allowance Anxiety

    There’s so much vitriol regarding allowances too high too low etc.

    Sugar is a non-homogenous item…… even the same SB or SD is different in different relationships. The shy librarian type does not have much appeal to the seeker of arm candy, but may have special appeal to someone who wants a more discrete relationship with someone who is smart, sexy and humble. This is where precision marketing pays dividends.

    Those who argue that SB’s have outrageous expectations fail to realize that if the expectations are high they simply serve to create an excess supply which in turn reduces value. The same goes for those who encourage more men to pursue sugar. So long as they have the capacity to contribute more , the more who are serious participants the more demand there is for SB’s

    Rule 3 was taught to me by my racing mentor, Life is unfair , get over it……….. You can whine or you can live, but you can not maximize both . Same rules apply to poker,

    • AnonSD says:

      You hit upon one of my favorite paradoxical real-estate rules: “the greater the supply, the greater the demand”. In housing, the more houses on the market, the more buyers looking for houses. In sugar, the more overall SBs, the more overall SDs, the more overall SDs, the more quality SDs, the more quality SDs, the more quality SBs, which is precisely what is lacking right now from my perspective. SBs can ask for the moon, they can ask for nothing, the problem is most of the SBs in my area right now are not interesting to me regardless of what they ask. So the faster that virtuous circle above gets going, the better. I feel like I’m wasting my time here right now.

      • lovelynyours says:

        I understand what you’re getting at, though I think where your chain breaks is “the more quality SDs, the more quality SBs”. I’m not sure that’s the case. Not directly, anyway. I think given the nature of the site, the true challenge is how to attract quality SBs – and simply more quality SDs aren’t gonna cut it. The key is really in creating a safe space that’s not being marketed as, and whose members don’t make it come off as, a site for masked escorts and johns. Many quality women shudder at the thought of being lumped in that category of “money for sex”, as someone wisely stated somewhere down in the comments here. Which is why some SDs tend to do better searching IRL and bringing in sugar organically instead of using SA. Only after that occurs will having Quality SDs (which is obviously important) keep them logging in to participate instead of deleting their accounts.

        The above rests on the assumption that we can define a Quality SB as a woman who is (give or take a couple) beautiful, intelligent, charming, self-aware, has some accomplishments under her belt or a lot of ambition, thoughtful, kind, considerate, honest, nurturing, has a great sex drive, selfless, serious about getting into an arrangement, and accomodating. And not just a pretty woman who’s serious about seeing a wealthy guy.

        The above also rests on an assumption that we can define a Quality SD as a man who is (give or take a couple) wealthy, honest, thoughtful, respectful, gracious, reliable, intelligent, charming, highly accomplished, attractive, serious about getting into an arrangement, protective, and caring. And not just a guy who’s serious about dishing out money. I think the distinctions are important.

      • AnonSD says:

        I’ll reiterate that, IMO, what distinguishes SD-SB arrangements from escort-john relationships is mutual attraction. A quality SB, more than anything else, is a SB who will refuse sex with men for whom she does not feel genuine sexual attraction. Otherwise, she is no different from an escort. A quality SD is one who respects that the quality SB is not an escort, and so treats her the same way he would treat a woman on the regular dating sites. Money merely pushes the man in front of the other men the SB is attracted to, it shouldn’t generate attraction by itself, otherwise the SB is no different from an escort.

        If no SB feels genuine sexual attraction for a man, then he can’t be a quality SD. As flyR notes, life is unfair. Some people are born ugly. A man like that should accept his fate and hire escorts.

        It doesn’t matter if either or both SB/SD is beautiful or ugly, intelligent or stupid, sophisticated or just fell off the turnip truck–love is blind. Nor does it matter how much money is exchanged. If there is mutual attraction, then a true SB/SD relationship is possible, otherwise it’s escort/john.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        @Anon very well said. I totally agree with you. Without genuine attraction/affection I really don’t see the point of being in an arrangement.

    • cryptic anomaly says:

      I tend to be more generous when I know or feel that the SB isn’t obsessed with money. When all I hear even in the message stage is “Allowance, how much, what do I get” my eyes glaze over and I move on.

      This attitude on the part of the SB isn’t matched by how giving and caring they are either which just makes it worse.

      In terms of age, looks, in the end those qualities won’t play a part in whether I enter an arrangement and how much I will be willing to provide for her.

      It will be the lady who is genuine, fun, personable, open and generous who will win me over and make me forget about the money which in turn will make me more generous.

    • flyR says:

      Lovingly – two responses to your thoughtful comments.

      I don’t think quality SB is what Hollywood or SA would cast . Even the votes for the calendar girls were skewed away from the Hollywood vision of pneumatic airheads – more kardashians .

      I think attractive, intelligent, friendly, happy fun gets you to the top of the list and not necessarily in that order. I

      I also do not think this list represents the real world of the average real SD. There’s a lot more angst, anger and arrogance ….

      • lovelynyours says:

        flyR, I think a woman can be what you’ve described and still be a nightmare. If she’s intelligent, attractive, friendly, happy, and fun except when she’s blackmailing you or threatening to tell your wife, you’ve got a problem. Or if she’s all those things but very self-centered and isn’t catering to your needs,or is really immature which makes it tough to have fun with her, those are big issues as well. Hence why my list was a bit longer (though in no particular order). I think being a great SB requires more than people think in a true, fulfilling SD/SB relationship.

        With the SD list, it wasn’t supposed to represent the average SD – it represents a quality SD. Arrogant, angsty, angry men wouldn’t make that list.

  72. flyR says:

    pandicorn – the little sounds on the porch which sound like rain are probably the assembling group from DHS ……….. noted for their distinct lack of all things humorous

  73. FunDude says:

    Got to love the hypocritical comments from our resident sugar babies who cry about “dignity” when I speak about the lower value of older women, fatter women, etc.

    Yet these same SBs bitch about “salt daddies” and make fun of them on websites.

    Typical one sided “dignity” arguments that are self serving for the SB imperative.

    I will continue to post about the supply/demand issues and SMP values of SBs on here.

    • lovelynyours says:

      Who are you talking about?

      • FunDude says:

        I think Jaybird was whining about “dignity of humans” when I spoke about supply/demand ratios of certain attributes that increase the value of the SB.

        I further showed that the “average” allowance numbers were highly inflated.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        That most definitely was not me. Try again Fundude.

      • lovelynyours says:

        I’m pretty sure neither of those things actually took place. And who was “bitching” about salt daddies and making fun of them?

      • Jaybird923 says:

        And I have never whined about anything on here. I stage my opinions in a clear and concise way. and I add facts and examples to support them. I know you haven’t spent much time on here lately but you haven’t been gone long to forget those things about me.

      • lovelynyours says:

        Ok, I think I understand now, from Jay’s other comments.

        You’re referring to my comments, from earlier in the week, not Jay’s. Except my comments boiled down to one point: your clinical, impersonal approach to reasoning only contributes further to the John mentalities and Escort mentalities that frustrate me about SA because this is supposed to be a place that is connection/emotion-focused and not clinical and transactional. But again, reading comprehension issues. Attributing them to Jay is yet another example.

        And Jay’s contribution to that discussion was correct as well. Nobody was whining about dignity, you just decided to read something that wasn’t there. You have a tendency to throw accusations around at people without having bothered to make sure you first understand what’s actually being written. You did this with me, and this is the 2nd or 3rd time you’ve done it with Jay since you returned.

        If you asked more questions about what someone writes instead of ass-u-me’ing all the time, you’d perhaps have more credibility than you do now and then you wouldn’t have to constantly feel like you need to repeat the same position over and over and over like a clinical, robotic, broken record. Food for thought.

    • AnonSD says:

      The issue is not the money SBs want. If you’re a SD, state your budget in your profile and then again in your first email and let the SB take it from there. If the SB finds herself rejecting one attractive SD after another, then she will eventually figure out that she is asking too much.

      The real issue is that both SDs and SBs here fail to understand the real difference between arrangements and escorting, which is that a good arrangement is one where there is mutual attraction. If the SB doesn’t feel attraction to the SD, she should stop right there. If she does feel attraction, then she should not expect money until first intimacy, other than maybe reimbursement of travel expenses. Definitely no payment for time and effort, however. She should try to court the man, same as with a regular boyfriend, because losing him means she is losing someone for whom she feels attraction. If she doesn’t feel attraction…well, I already covered that. The SDs need to make an effort to make themselves attractive other than with money. They should court the woman, same as with a regular girlfriend.

      It is not true that 20 year old women don’t feel sexually attraction to men 20 to 40 years older, provided those men have taken care of themselves physically. Same as 20 year old men (and I was one of those once, so I’m talking from experience) can find older women very sexually attractive). An age difference means the relationship is totally about sex and money and pleasure and living in the moment, which is a lot more exciting than worrying about whether the relationship is going to last long-term and whether you have interests in common other than sex, and whether the relationship will lead to marriage and children and whether the partner is someone you want to introduce to your friends and parents–all the tediousness involved with relationships someone your own age. The key is that the older person has to be in good physical condition.

    • AnonSD says:

      The issue is not the money SBs want. If you’re a SD, state your budget in your profile and then again in your first email and let the SB take it from there. If the SB finds herself rejecting one attractive SD after another, then she will eventually figure out that she is asking too much.

      The real issue is that both SDs and SBs here fail to understand the real difference between arrangements and escorting, which is that a good arrangement is one where there is mutual attraction. If the SB doesn’t feel attraction to the SD, she should stop right there. If she does feel attraction, then she should not expect money until first intimacy, other than maybe reimbursement of travel expenses. Definitely no payment for time and effort, however. She should try to court the man, same as with a regular boyfriend, because losing him means she is losing someone for whom she feels attraction. If she doesn’t feel attraction…well, I already covered that. The SDs need to make an effort to make themselves attractive other than with money. They should court the woman, same as with a regular girlfriend.

      It is not true that 20 year old women don’t feel sexually attraction to men 20 to 40 years older, provided those men have taken care of themselves physically. Same as 20 year old men (and I was one of those once, so I’m talking from experience) can find older women very sexually attractive). An age difference means the relationship is totally about sex and money and pleasure and living in the moment, which is a lot more exciting than worrying about whether the relationship is going to last long-term and whether you have interests in common other than sex, and whether the relationship will lead to marriage and children and whether the partner is someone you want to introduce to your friends and parents–all the tediousness involved with relationships someone your own age. The key is that the older person has to be in good physical condition. Go to wikipedia to see jack lalanne in 1961 at age 47, for an example of what older men can look like if they take care of themselves: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_LaLanne#/media/File:Jack_LaLanne_1961.JPG

      • AnonSD says:

        I meant if the SB finds herself rejecting one attractive SD after another MERELY BECAUSE THEY CAN’T MEET HER BUDGET.

      • Elaine says:


        Nice post, makes a lot of sense!

        Only thing I really doubt is if a 20y/o (male or female) really can genuinely feel sexually attracted to a 60 y/o, even if in good shape.

        At that age 40 is “antique as your parents”, 60 would be like having sex with your grandfather or mother.
        I am an older SB, but the idea of having sex with most 60 somethings makes me cringe…

        Would be nice to hear from the younger SBs here to know how they look upon that?
        @Reb and @Hot, if I remember well, have lately told about their 80 something SDs, do you ladies really feel sexual attraction to these men?

      • lovelynyours says:

        Elaine, I think it depends. There’s a pot SD that I’m mulling over who’s 63 – and he’s pretty attractive, I must say. I’m in my 20s.

        My ex (traditional SD) was nearly 50 when we first started dating, and that lasted almost 2 years. Was very attracted to him as well – he had this hot biker guy thing going on, even though he was an IT exec.

        It’s possible, but not likely. More of an exception to the rule than the rule itself.

      • AnonSD says:

        I’m age 55 and I’ve had girls aged 19 come onto me strongly in real life, and that was when I was dressed down (exercise clothes) so they had no idea that I was rich or open to arrangements. (These incidents all occur when I’m traveling, for some reason, so they never go far.) My experience is that making it known that I’m rich actually reduces my sexual attractiveness, at least to the kinds of quality women I want, at least in the USA. Quality women in the USA tend to be prudes about mixing sex and money.

        As for young men and older women, when I was 39, I fell for a woman age 62. It had nothing to do with money, because I was already rich then and she was not rich. We broke up after about 6 months but remained friends. Even in her 70’s, this woman still has decent-looking guys in their 20’s coming onto her.

      • lovelynyours says:

        Sorry, that was supposed to read “traditional, not SD”.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        I agree with Anon if he takes care of himself and looks good I’m ok with his age. If he looks old and decrepit I’m not. The same thing goes for a guy in his 30’s. You have to take care of your body. I won’t go past 60 though that’s a Little to much for me.

      • lovelynyours says:

        Jay, George Clooney is 54 – my guess is that in 6 or even 10 years, he’ll still be a fox! 😉 Though as I alluded to elsewhere, men in that age range can come with their own set of quirks/challenges.

      • SouthernSB says:

        Elaine-When I was a teenager , I had a total fan crush on Jeff Goldblum, and I thought Sean Connery was even sexier when he hit 66 than he was when he was in his 30’s (hell I still think he is the sexiest man around and he’s 89 now). When I was 19 my was boyfriend 33, he was in the air force and we broke up because he ended up going to officers training school to learn how to be a pilot. He taught me how to play chess and how to ride on the back of a Harley. When I was in my 20’s I was attracted to men in their late 30’s and I went out with them, but they were just dates and I was having a good time. Now at my age everybody has caught up with me, and be they 45 or 85 it’s all the same thing. It’s not like I am still in H.S. and anyone over the age of “that hot 25 year old” is as old as my father…ewwww!!!

      • hototrot1 says:


        Just before I married my husband at 31 (he was 29), I briefly dated a guy who was 45. I had never even dated 5 years older before then. It was weird as hell. At 30, I was no kid, but I saw men that age and older as father figures and I had a real dad in my life so I wasn’t really looking for that. My dad is only 20 years older than me, btw.

        After the divorce I dated a much, much older man. A former soap opera actor I met in my neighborhood. One of those only-in-NY-experiences. He was really, really handsome and charming, despite his age. I guess you could say he took my cherry in that regard. Since then, I’ve actually preferred older. Maybe I’ve matured and don’t expect the things I did when I was younger and can appreciate other things about a person.

        But, they can’t be any random old guys though. The men I’ve dated late 50’s- late 70’s are/were really maintained and above average. My tastes have certainly evolved. I use to go for goofy/quirky silly, artsy types. Now, I like take charge, centered, cultured.

        I’m with a 55 year old now, and he’s practically a baby compared to my last few guys.

      • Sunshine2Serenity says:


        I’m mid twenties. I’m pretty sure my SD is a fair bit older than he says he is. I’m terrible at reading age but my dad who is 59 and who has worked outdoors ask his life looks younger. For me I’m attracted to intellect, charm and gentlemanly behaviour. After the first date I don’t see age. I daydream about him and I just want to give him the kiss of a lifetime everytime I see him but I have to be somewhat discreet because people find it odd.

        I never knew that I would be attracted until I tried sugar. Now I don’t think I would regular date under 35 .

  74. Sugar Baby says:

    I´ve just discovered SA,made and account and realize that here in Finland there are probably 5 potential SD…so depressing…any advises ?

    • Elaine says:


      Well, if you want to fetch one of those 5, maybe start writing something interesting in your profile?

      • Sugar Baby says:

        my profile is not interesting enough ? ..have no more ideas in what to write anymore.plus it might be to long afterwords I think

      • lovelynyours says:

        Your profile is currently blank, Sugar.

      • Elaine says:

        Well, the profile I saw is completely empty!

        Don’t know how the competition of SBs is in Finland, but to justify a “moderate” allowance?!

        I guess a potential SD would like to know a little bit more about you as your lenght and haircolour, before he would feel to contact you.

      • Sugar Baby says:

        Can you try now ? I´ve just got an email that my profile has been approved.thanks

      • AnonSD says:

        How are you different from thousands of equally attractive and educated divorced single mothers in their 30’s looking for love on the regular dating sites? Other than being explicit about wanting $1000-$3000/month from the man, whereas most of the women like you on the regular dating sites just want a guy who can pull his own weight? At least your expectation is practical now (it was $3000-$5000/month before). The problem, as I see it, is that you are not offering something different from women on the regular dating sites. For example, offering to be the other woman for a married man in a sexless marriage, making it clear you are open to sexual relationships with men 20 or more years older than you, etc.

    • lovelynyours says:

      Yikes. Give those 5 a shot, knowing that you’re likelihood of syncing up with one of them will be very low, depending on what your competition looks like.

      Looking in real life is probably best for you. People claim it’s time consuming, but I don’t know that it’s that bad. It’s not as convenient as SA, but it can be easier to encounter someone legitimate & respectful and it feels a LOT healthier. I fell into two previous arrangements by meeting them IRL and have recently spent more time on IRL encounters. If you’re social and know where to go and what to get involved in in your city (select charities and event committees, community leadership programs, political fundraising circles, etc.) you can bump into wealthy men all the time.

      • lovelynyours says:

        *your likelihood

      • Sugar Baby says:

        thank you for your advice. Finland is a cold country,man don’t speak to much unless they are drunk.lol..I haven’t though tried in real life to find a SD. I might get more serious about it .

      • lovelynyours says:

        Sure thing. I think IRL, if you’re serious about it, takes either 1) a certain type of person who already has foot-in-the-door access to wealthy/influential circles, or 2) someone who aspires to be a part of said circles for purposes other than finding an SD (business building, for instance) and is therefore able and willing to put a LOT of work into it, since they’ll get something out of it even if they don’t find an SD.

      • Sugar Baby says:

        The thing is that I am clumsy in this things, IRL mostly.
        My job is such that I come across to investors or high end class people but I don’t know how to approach them and even if I don’t care that they I married is not something that here they talk it. It´s a very strange country with lots of communication difficulties and I am no better. this is why I am trying the online.thanks again,

      • hototrot1 says:


        I date mostly IRL. Men are men no matter what they have. If a woman is charming and has confidence in herself, that’s all she needs to deal with anyone. Go online and look up all of the high end affairs going on in your city. Some may cost as low as $300 and others up to $3000 a plate. If you can’t pay, you can always volunteer. People date the people they are around. If they aren’t around you, they can’t date you. It’s that simple. I go to lots of events, and believe you me, I don’t see a lot of millionaires with 10’s on their arms. But, a lot of those women have lots of charm and social graces. All of which can be learned with practice. I love to listen and accomplished men love to talk. Be a good listener and a pleasant person and you’ll have many opportunities.

      • hototrot1 says:

        When I first moved to this city I worked grant writer for a well-known, legendary non-profit that put on elaborate dinners and telecasts. It opened up a world to me I hadn’t previously had access to. That’s how I came to know about these things. At first, I was intimidated, but I soon found that people just want to be around people that make them feel comfortable.

    • Elaine says:

      Ok, now the text is up!

      Looks like a nice profile to me now. 🙂
      If Finland has so few SDs, why don’t look further for a long distance relationship in Russia or Scandinavia?

      Succes and keep us updated about your sugar adventures in the high north!

      • Sugar Baby says:

        Thank you Elaine. I am trying Oslo and Sweden as we have cruises between and will try that. Russia no way.Don like them 🙂

      • Elaine says:



        Now and then I come to your city, drop me a line if you feel for a coffee at Ekberg. ?

        elainesablog at g mail

    • JamminJ2015 says:

      Maybe there are some SD’d that are keeping their account hidden? Your profile looks pretty good. Maybe add a few more pics. One of you in a sexy dress or something similar. You look like you have a nice figure. Good luck in your search!

  75. SD On Chat says:

    How to keep a SB connection:
    It often seems like randomness, life and logistics get in the way of arrangements. Classic scenario: First meeting, good conversation, drinks, quite possibly more personal connection, and initial gift (not huge, not cheep, but an appropriate start.) Text from SB the next morning… “I really had fun last night… can’t wait to see you again…”. SD might even send a gift card the next day, just to show good heart. Subsequent meetings are arranged (initiated by both parties) but get canceled… family responsibility, really believable emergency (subsequent conversation happened to include photos)… Then the connection just seems to die off…

    So other than “throw insane amounts of money” (which may not be the solution anyway)… what’s the best way to keep SB appointments and relationship?

    • lovelynyours says:

      If she’s serious and worth giving money to, you won’t really need to “keep up” much of anything. As an SB, it’s her job to make sure she’s giving you what you need. Just as it’s your job to make sure you’re making yourself available and meeting her needs and desires in turn. When it comes to scheduling, she needs to make herself available, and if she can’t be flexible around your schedule, she shouldn’t be an SB.

      What SDs and SBs don’t always understand is that because this is essentially accelerated, simplified dating, the connection can die just as quickly as it was formed. So connecting regularly at first, prior to the arrangement (and often during) is key, unless otherwise agreed upon. Texts, calls, dates, etc. She has to work to make that happen, and you have to be available often enough that she doesn’t feel discouraged in doing so.

    • Sunshine2Serenity says:

      Provided you’ve mentioned what you would pay for a monthly allowance it’s upto them to fit their schedule around yours :).

    • SD On Chat says:

      Great points. I like the part about accelerating the relationship and connecting often to make the arrangement happen.

      My new SB just offered to clear her schedule around me. Obviously that’s a great sign in moving forward on an arrangement.

  76. lovelynyours says:

    So my SD and I are done. We’re amicable – in fact we’re grabbing lunch in a couple weeks – but he kept wanting me to tell him I loved him, and that felt really awkward and inorganic for me, having known him all of maybe 6 weeks. That’s the thing about much older men, I’ve found – they’re very quick to go there, and that’s a real libido-killer. Plus, he was married and didn’t like the idea of a hotel room (which he didn’t mention til last week), and I didn’t like the idea of an SD being in the personal space that is my home until it feels natural for him to be there, so we were approaching an impasse.

    I told him I’d be happy to give a reference; he really is a great, giving guy. Just not great for me, I found.

    • Jaybird923 says:

      Sorry about that @Lovely. Are you still going to deactivate your SA account or are you going to try to connect with someone in real life?

      • lovelynyours says:

        I’m definitely going to focus heavily on my IRL game; I’ve been successful there in the past, and it feels good when I’m searching IRL vs. SA. I’m on the fence with SA since it’s the only real option for an out-of-state SD – still declining interest as I mentioned, but I’ve recently been presented with an interesting opportunity that may make it advantageous to leave my SA account up. It’s currently hidden, though not deactivated yet.

      • lovelynyours says:

        I’m basically using my SA account to split test against another account. Conducting a mini experiment which I’m hoping will be useful for something I may get involved in in the next 3-4 weeks.

    • Reb. says:

      I know what you mean. I spent the first weekend with my older SD and he said, “I am starting to fall in love with you.” 10 minutes earlier, he was giving me a lecture about how “cold” I was coming off due to never “flirting”.

    • JamminJ2015 says:

      Wow! The love word is strictly forbidden in any arrangement with me. It definitely kills the mood makes me veryuncomfortable. Lol! I like being told that I’m missed or I’m desired and vice versa but love? NOOOoooooo!

      • lovelynyours says:

        I don’t explicitly forbid it – I mean, if I was with an SD for a year or so and we fell for each other, then sure. It’d be unexpected, but in that case, why not? But yeah, definitely not unless we were approaching something more.

    • Sunshine2Serenity says:

      Sorry to hear that Lovely :(.

      I’m sure you’ll have better luck in your RL SD adventures :).

    • SD On Chat says:

      Some people don’t realize how great it is to say or receive the words “I love you.” It doesn’t have to be, possessive, overpowering, or meant in the high-school puppy love way… or in the “you’re the one” way. It can be a close friend, a casual lover, business associate or client, and yes a SB or SD. There are lots of levels of love. You can honestly love several on different levels. Maturity teaches that… and as long as both parties have that maturity then it should be fine… although some clarification might be required for comfort.

      If you can say, “I love how you…” then you say “I love you” with a smile and not be overstepping.

      • hototrot1 says:

        My ex-husband confessed to me after a few months of dating that he’d lied about some things. He said, “I didn’t love you then, but now I do. I can’t keep lying to you, now that I love you.” That was how he first told me he loved me. I thought it was cute at first, until I realized the man had absolutely no filter and that was the first of many doozies to come! lol

      • lovelynyours says:

        SDOC, I agree with you, but that was not the case here. He actually said, “I know you don’t actually love me, but I’d like for you to tell me that you do when we see each other.” Not remotely the same thing.

  77. FlyBoy says:


    5. Thus extracting monthly membership fees from men until they get frustrated and leave.

    Why would ‘men’ get frustrated on SA? Give me a fucking break!!!!

    Cheers 🙂

  78. Sunshine2serenity says:


    • cryptic anomaly says:

      I think we’ve all gotten so bored that from time to time we type in “Horny Emu” just to see what comes up.


    • Jaybird923 says:

      The funniest part of the video is the guy in thé background commenting. I love the way he laughs. It makes me want to come up with silly things to say so I can hear him laugh.

      • Sunshine2Serenity says:

        I just love the classic Aussie accents. I saw it and thought yup that sounds about right lol.

        Australia… If it doesn’t kill you it might just try to have sex with you O_O.

  79. Jaybird923 says:

    Speaking of inappropriate messages here’s some examples of the kind some SBs get. For this page you have to send in the screen shot proof of the conversation or they won’t post it.


    • Sunshine2serenity says:

      Lovely specimens.

      I love the ones that completely have no class and when you call them out on their bullshit they have the nerve to tell you that you’re the problem.

      Apparently it’s “bossy” to want a picture of some kind before meeting.

      And I clearly have “no idea how sugar works” if I don’t want to meet at a hotel room for intimacy with room service. How generous I might get fed!
      Actually no, I know exactly how it works and I want none of your crap.

      So glad I’ve deactivated my profile for now. Going to have to send in some salty pictures.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Lol you should some in sunshine. The guys with no pictures is getting old. But the part that really amuses me is how insistent they are about wanting to know what you look like when they aren’t willing to extend you the same courtesy.

      • lovelynyours says:

        Right? I had a guy a while back refuse to send me a picture, even via email or text. But he wanted to meet. I mean, unless the dude’s Karl Rove and is trying to stay low-key to avoid publicity or paparazzi, he needs to send me a picture before I agree to meet him. Period. No time for silliness.

    • FunDude says:

      For every worthless SD, there are at least 5 worthless SBs on this website.

      Also, I find it amusing how guys who are only willing to spend “400/month” are ridiculed on here with no concern for “dignity”.

      Weren’t you bitching when I was speaking about SBs value on the supply/demand curve with concern for “dignity”.

      Love the hypocrisy.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        No one is ridiculing any one for only offering $400 a month. I’m usually the only one defending them on the SB side on the blog. My comment said inappropriate messages. The ones you purposely ignored … the sexual ones.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        My only complaint about your supply/demand theroy was that you kept repeating the same thing like a broken record. Like always when ever you express an idea that’s all you have and can never add to or defend the idea when challenged. this is wnat I said about your theroy

        3) Your supply and demand analysis makes perfect sense.. in theory but would fail in real life. There are to many variables that it doesn’t take into account. When it comes to love/sex human being are rarely practical.

      • Catcher 22 says:

        @Jay: Your diagnosis is right on. Dr. FunDude suffers from chronic broken record syndrome.

  80. NurseA143 says:

    Dudes have been super obnoxious with me about sending nude pictures…how do you ladies handle that?

    • Reb. says:

      I had one email to me today, “You have a great figure I think. Do you have a some bosom, can’t tell from your pictures? Got to have some boobs, don’t have to be big, but can’t be flat chested.”
      Ok, thanks…? Rude emails are rare. I just block and ignore after that.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        I’ve never gotten request for nude pictures or anything else inappropriate. But if I were you I’d just block them and move on. There’s no reason to ask for a nude to see what your figure looks like.

    • Sunshine2Serenity says:

      Just block and delete :).

    • flyR says:

      If they are sending you pic simply ignore them or report them .

      You might make a tiny change to your profile where you say you are “ideally” looking for( which infers other options are available such as pleasure by the hour or other and simply say you are looking for ( without the ideally)

      Also an unfortunate outcome of having an attractive profile

  81. Josh says:

    There’s another one who wants to meet 2-4 times a month for substantial allowance.

  82. Josh says:

    Someone who messaged me has this in her profile:

    “There’s never a dual moment with me.”

    What’s a “dual moment”?

  83. PetiteSB says:

    I received the notifications some people have favourited me but no ID/names or profile pics, or no tracks shown on my profile. Who are they? Does anyone know what happened?

    • Petite says:

      Wow! So many “Petite”s around now! Me, you, Petite Little Lady….
      We rule the world… muahahaha

      • PetiteSB says:

        🙂 Yes, why not?

        Actually I realised there are other “Petite” so I’d try to come up something different 😉

  84. Josh says:

    @Jeff, what’s up with the new article?

  85. Josh says:

    I like Seinfeld bloopers more than the episodes.

  86. Kramer says:

    The Ass-man is back in town. Giddy-Yap!

  87. SD says:

    There must be a professional service or agency you can pay that simplifies the SD/SB arrangement process. Vetting prospective SBs and SDs, arranging dates with suitable prospects, working out the terms, taking care of payment transfers etc…

    going through the headache and learning process on here seems to nullify the point of seeking an arrangement for me in the first place.

    • SD says:

      i.e. vetting prospective SDs and matching them with suitable, professional, agency trained, vetted and approved SBs.

      • GeorgiaPeach12 says:

        You’d think, huh?
        But then, would that be called a “dating service” or a “match making service.” Hmmm. Where have I heard about those? LOL

        Your issue might be that you want the simplicity of the 1950’s, 1960’s etc, but the convenience (internet, fast pace) of the 2000’s. LOL

        Good Luck. I would be happy to help you if you would like.

      • SD says:

        Thanks for that. LOL, DOGH.

        most match making service do not cater for an arrangement. The point is I am willing to pay more the quality assurance and simplicity in the process with professional agency SBs.

      • SD says:


        most match making services do not cater for an arrangement. The point is I am willing to pay more for the quality assurance and simplicity in the process with professional agency SBs.

        I suppose the match making service will also take care of disclosure agreements…handling money etc…if so please post a link to the suitable agencies you are referring to, otherwise keep quite and stop stupefying yourself publicly.

      • Reb. says:

        “Agency trained”.. I think you might as well just go to a high end escort agency and order the girlfriend experience.

    • lovelynyours says:

      There’s an IRL matchmaking & consultant agency in the works, with a special emphasis on matching verified SDs with truly quality SBs and educating BOTH groups on how to be stellar in sugar relationships. 😉 Launching Q1 of 2016 to select major cities, then expanding to others as it reaches critical mass in those regions.

    • FlyBoy says:

      Do you want them to help you stick your dick inside of her too?!!!

      Cheers 🙂

      • Eloquence says:


        I prefer the one who can make love as I feel his nature rising, proceeding to show me every love language imaginable with his mind, body, and tongue, autodidactically.

      • SD says:

        Then as a handsome young rich man in the big city there is no point/value in going for arrangement. I might as well invest the effort in a normal relationship.

      • GeorgiaPeach12 says:

        Oh I think Mr. SD should put that handsome young rich “dick” of his elsewhere. LOL You realize of course that I am likely old enough to be your Momma. And I suspect she would not approve of your comments to me even on this site. So, all I’ll say to you is that you need to grow up and get a pair.

      • SD says:

        Yes you probably are. That’s really quite sad actually I didn’t really think about it.

        I would have many decades of growing up to do to reach your level of ‘maturity’.

        Why so sensitive anyway insecurities much. My mum is dead BTW (Cancer). I would advise you to keep your flippant unedited or clearly thought out not constructive and yes stupid comments to yourself. My RETALIATORY insults were quite appropriate and restrained actually. The operative word there being Retaliatory.

      • SD says:

        And FYI I don’t need to grow anything, I was bequeathed a ‘pair’ at birth; they’ve rounded out quite nicely actually.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        @SD lol best response I’ve seen to being told to grow a pair

    • sugar baby monkey says:

      I agree. As a sugar baby, that would be other interesting choice.

    • Josh says:


      Please allow me to state the obvious.

      Seeking Arrangement is supposed to be that “service or agency”. However, along the way SA realized that it can make more money by promoting nonsense that result in no arragements.

      This is how is is done.

      1. Promise women that they will make money for breathing.
      2. Hordes of women sign up.
      3. Market to men that they have a bunch of young, beautiful women.
      4. Egg women on women in such as way that most of them would rather have no arrangement (and feel good) than have an arrangement (and make money).
      5. Thus extracting monthly membership fees from men until they get frustrated and leave.
      6. Since there are more women signing up every day…promote that number to new set of men to try their luck.
      7. Repeat…

    • flyR says:

      Going through the agency is like letting a real estate broker screen homes for you . If they are good you’ll get good choices but all the incentives are to get the cash out of your pocket.

      There are those who find rewards in hunting and fishing and those who just want dinner on the table, provided by someone else.

  88. Zoey H says:

    Hello everyone!

    I am new to this and wanted some inputs on my profile.

    Thank you!

    • lovelynyours says:

      1. Your picture is blurry, but not blurry enough for it to be clear that you’re trying to protect your identity. Can’t tell if it’s just a bad photo or what.

      2. You say you’re smart, but your profile doesn’t sound smart, particularly the About Me section. Show, don’t tell. Or show and tell, whichever. Also, people who say they’re humble rarely are. Demonstrate your down-to-earth humility.

      3. I can’t see your private photos, so I’m not sure, but from the one photo based on your waistline, you look more slim than average. You could probably go with that if that photo is an accurate reflection.

      This is the advice I have in addition to the general profile advice that’s always laced throughout the blog comments.

    • Josh says:

      Hmmm, so as per @lovely, @Zoey is neither smart nor humble? 😉

      • lovelynyours says:

        Lol. Hey, I just go off of what the profile’s telling me. Nobody’s ever heard a modest person boast how modest they are. Same for humble. And classy. And probably some others that would be negated if uttered by the person claiming to have those as traits.

        And yes, based on how her sentences are structured and the fact that she states that she can’t think of any other interests, I’m not getting an intelligent vibe. Perhaps she just rushed through putting something together to get her profile up. If she’s intelligent, she’ll be able to easily edit her profile to reflect that in her word choices, writing style, and structure.

        You are gorgeous though, Zoey (I think – your pic’s blurry), so you’ve got that going for your profile at the moment!

      • Zoey H says:

        @josh I’m all for constructive criticism.

    • Josh says:

      We have fun criticism. You decide if it was constructive or not.

  89. hototrot1 says:

    I think a lot of conflict on this blog is due to different sugar goals. I know most SB’s are looking for help for school or to get a career start. Looking for a mentor. Me? I’ve gone through school, I’ve worked in my field, I’ve been married. Started a new business from necessity after a close relative suffered a stroke and I took it upon myself to take care of them, unraveling my marriage in the process. I’m definitely not the classic SB.

    Sugar is freeing for me. It’s fun and divorced from real life. It’s the icing instead of the cake. I don’t plan on sugaring forever. Only started 3 years ago, by accident. But, it’s been a really fun pause in my life.

    • hototrot1 says:

      Amendment: I do look to my SD for mentorship and of course money is a part of it. But, that’s not all of it. Otherwise, I wouldn’t be able to do it.

    • FunDude says:

      I think the majority of the conflict comes from inflated expectations and lack of awareness of SMP value.

  90. hototrot1 says:

    Would this be too much like a tumblr page to ask what SBs beauty routines are? As much as I love (LOL) reading about the economic ups and downs of the sugar business, I prefer lighter reads. Numbers give me a headache. lol.

    My beauty regime is quick and easy and very cheap: Apricot scrub (I prefer store brand, not because it’s cheaper, but the granules are less refined and I get a better scrub)- I use it every day. I also use Dial and some type of seat salt scrub for other parts. Ponds moisturizer for my face. Shea butter and coconut oil infused castor oil for body. My beautiful mother has only used Ivory soap and baby lotion all of her life. Flawless complexion. But, I’m not brave enough to do that! I don’t think it would work the same on me.

    SD says I have skin like a baby. I guess my routine works. Simple, cheap, effective.

    • cryptic anomaly says:

      I make sure I drink a glass of scotch or whiskey every day, I shower daily using which ever body wash I left in the shower. I shave every second day. Oh, you asked SB’s sorry…

      • hototrot1 says:

        SD’s can answer too. I know some guys with routines more elaborate than most women. My ex SD for example!

      • Steph says:

        I am a cosmetologist and soon to be esthetician. I only use professional products, I know what that crap does to you other wise. Speaking of beauty I need to visit a spa soon, I haven’t had a facial or a microderm in a hot minute.

      • hototrot1 says:


        “I am a cosmetologist and soon to be esthetician. I only use professional products, I know what that crap does to you other wise. Speaking of beauty I need to visit a spa soon, I haven’t had a facial or a microderm in a hot minute.”

        I have heard bad things about Apricot scrub, but I love the results. I go to Queens for my facials whenever I get them. The Indians have really competitive rates up there. I sound so cheap. hehe But I pay a really high rent– my excuse.

        What professional products do you use?

      • zito says:

        hey cryptic, thats my routine….minus the alcohol….lol

    • Sunshine2serenity says:

      Hair: Colour shampoo the day before the date (red hair often needs a little extra kick to get that vibrancy) and a vitamin masque to condition. See a hair dresser every 6 weeks.

      Body: I do my own nails at home (I have to have short nails because I play an instrument anyways so it makes more sense). Was waxing but looks like I’ll be getting permanent removal with laser soon.
      I switch between homemade soap and dove depending on my mood. I always get comments that my skin is amazingly soft. I think it’s probably genetics though. Face I used homemade cleanser and then rose water as a toner.

      On the day:
      Shower and shave. Root volumizer in my hair, blow dry and straightening iron to smooth the cuticles. Put hair in rollers, moisturize and make-up. Getting dressed occurs somewhere in there. Take hair out of rollers, spray the roots with hairspray, style further as needed.

      The whole process can be as short as 45 minutes (including shower but not wetting my hair) or as long as 2 hours. It all depends on the kind of date I’m going on. If it’s a regular lunch meet then it’s more towards the shorter end. If I’m meeting someone for the first time then it takes time to get everything perfect. It may sound like overkill and I’m sure some people will argue that oh guys won’t care or notice – however they do. It’s the whole old school Hollywood or vintage glamour.

      • hototrot1 says:


        I wish I had the patience to do my own nails correctly. They always look a mess. Like you, I love old Hollywood Glamour too. I always have a faorite of the moment. Ava Gardner is my inspiration right now. She had full features and a heavy brow that I can identify with.

        However, I’m not a big make up person. I do not use foundation. I feel like good skin is essential to beauty and why cover it up. Besides, I have never found a foundation that matched my skin tone. I hate that face on top of a face look that is all the rage. I tried false lashes once and was hitting at my face all day. Felt like a permanent fly was on my face! lol

        Mascara, lip gloss, concealer and well maintained eyebrows. Oh, and my Motorhead Kat Von D matte lipstick- does the trick. I don’t trust myself with tweezers, so I always get eyebrows done professionally.

      • hototrot1 says:


        You don’t like shaving? I like the ritual of it. Waxing is hard to do on my own. Plus shaving= extra exfoliating. Yeah, we do need a forum for this type of stuff. hehe Maybe the blog is a thing of the past. Hmmmmmmm?

      • Steph says:

        I wish I could wear nail polish 🙁 As an esthetician your not allowed to wear it. People can have allergies to nail polish. I just keep mine nice and short, make sure they look decent.

      • Sunshine2Serenity says:

        Ava is stunning!

        I’m thinking of ditching the foundation for day dates. I only use a very light one but I feel like it makes me look older.

        I forgot to add I exfoliate once a week using oats (sawdust sized/blended for the face) milk and lemon juice. Put it all in a bowl and then use it in the shower but not if you’re hungry (haha :p).

        I’ve worked with someone who wrote the national training standards for beauty over here. A lot of products are absolute crap and filled with stuff your skin and body doesn’t need. It’s quite easy to experiment with natural ingredients and make something that is tailored exactly to your skin’s needs.

        I get my lashes done as I have very fine blonde lashes. I feel like I can almost get away with just putting on lipstick yay.

        I’m lucky with my eyebrows. They’re pretty nice naturally so I’ve never touched them!

        Yeah waxing is a pain. I don’t like the tiny bits of stubble shaving leaves behind. My hair grows really fast though so by the end of the day I’ve already got a couple of mm of growth lol. Laser ftw!

      • IHF2030 says:

        I wish that women would use clear nail polish or none at all.

      • hototrot1 says:


        Yes, Ava was the HOTNESS. Frank Sinatra tried to kill himself over her. The only woman to bring him to his knees. I know too much movie trivia for my own good. he

        I thought she was much prettier than Marilyn Monroe, whom I adore. MM was all body and bubbly personality with girl-next-door looks. She just had that IT quality that translated well in photos and movies. But Ava was the real deal, you couldn’t find her type of looks just anywhere.

        I’m afraid of electrolysis. Doesn’t it leave scars? My skin is very sensitive and I’m still trying to get rid of some burn marks from a few months ago. The hazard of working with hot ovens all day.

        About foundation: I always feel a little sad when I see really young girls slathered in it, because they really shouldn’t need it. It’s the best skin, if you don’t have an acne problem, you’ll ever have in your life and you’re smothering it with sh!t that doesn’t look half as good as what’s underneath. But, that’s my little peeve. People can do what makes them happy. I do agree it does make some people look older, or dead. lol

  91. THEATLSD says:

    @SA bloggettes please post a new blog. This one has been hashed out and beat up.

    • lovelynyours says:

      I’m beginning to wonder if SA’s not planning on having a blog anymore. Has it ever taken this long to post one?

      • cryptic anomaly says:

        I’m thinking the same thing, usually comes out every Wed or Fri (Australian time) so in both cases it is over due now.

      • lovelynyours says:

        Well, hopefully the forum launches next week – the load time on this page is rather long, now.

      • Sunshine2serenity says:

        I’m hoping *fingers crossed* that it’s delayed because they’re going to release the forum. Ever the optimist!

      • lovelynyours says:

        You and me both. Looks like we’re approaching the bottom of the barrel, here.

      • GeorgiaPeach12 says:

        Perhaps someone responsible at SA is on vacation this week and no one else was assigned the duty of posting a new blog? Just a thought.
        Enjoy. 🙂

  92. Maggie says:

    So I was having a really great email conversation with a potential SD on here, a little heated, funny and seemed like a spark. He is also 6’7 which for me (at 6’1) is like finding a unicorn hair in a haystack! Anyway, he was asking about my free time and I mentioned the usual; reading, galleries, exploring etc. We seemed to have a lot in common and he expressed a desire to meet me. But then he asked me to elaborate on the small tiny business on Ebay I have ( I taught myself a year ago) where I sew bespoke baby gifts and quilts and then…….POOF! Nothing! Why do guys associate sewing with boring? Or run a mile when you hear the word baby. My love of sewing came from a need to make my own clothes because of how difficult it is for my height, not for some internal need to start thinking about a family. Surely it shows someone that does not waste things, appreciates what they have and is using their brains to turn a talent into a small business? NO? Guess it’s back to the drawing board again…..I think unfortunately the best place to be on this site is USA

    • sugar baby monkey says:

      It’s not about the country, it’s about you. Other guys from USA or other parts of the world could act like that. Well, if you don’t find what you’re looking for then you should get a job or something like and stop waiting the charity of these guys

    • Sunshine2serenity says:

      Yeah :(. Unfortunately the brain is wired to pick up on certain “trigger” words. They did a study about politician’s and newspaper headlines and found
      “X involved with fraudulent charity” was as a bad as “X not involved with fraudulent charity”. Basically the qualifiers to what you say aren’t going to stick in most people’s minds :/.
      So there goes any reference to baby, child, knitting, sewing, or cats :(.

      • Maggie says:

        I think I realised it as soon as I sent the email but was just hoping for just a little reaffirmation. Thank you 🙂

      • hototrot1 says:

        “or cats”


        I have to really watch my “trigger language” with my new SD. He’s a real wordsmith and quotes stuff back to me. Half the time I can’t remember what I said. While I’m a great conversationalist, if I must say so myself, I also can put my foot in my mouth from time to time. Honest, expressive people will always have issues in the world. Especially on this site!!

        Keep soldiering on Maggie. I love your honesty and outlook, but like S2S said, try to weed out those triggers!

    • sugar baby monkey says:

      I mean, grow up!!!! And stop complaining about everything, it’s very annoying!!!!

      • Maggie says:

        I’m not entirely sure what I have said to warrant your unneccsary anger, but last time I checked this was a great place to get honest feedback, discuss topics and have debates. I put the comment up to find out really if in fact I was right about the sewing being an off-putter. I do have a job, I’m a nanny and I tutor small children in Italy; I’m currently saving money to become a foster parent which , if you read my profile before insulting me, you would have known. As for the USA comment, it was because I have met some really sweet guys and some offers there but unfortunately I am too far away. I personally believe it is more popular there as well.


    • cryptic anomaly says:

      @Maggie-I find “Old World” skills like that quite appealing. Not sure why it would turn someone off even if it didn’t excite them. I also like tall women, I have had 2 girlfriends who were 6ft tall.

      • hototrot1 says:

        I bake for a living and I’m always amazed by how men- educated, refined men- are turned on by that. You think a lot of intellectually stimulating conversation is where it’s at? Huh. LOL My grandmother was right all along. A hot meal, a clean house and a warm body goes a long way…

      • cryptic anomaly says:

        @HotToTrot-Intellectual conversation can be great but at the end of the day it’s nice to be treated like a man and be taken care of like one, I agree with your grandmother she is exactly right.

        I am sure many women like a man who can fix a car and do manly types of things as well.

      • Sunshine2serenity says:

        Feed a man and he’s yours *evil smile*.

        From what I’ve seen most men want something relatively uncomplicated. A lovely, pretty woman who is eager to please and takes care of him by addressing his physical (food and sex), mental (fantasy + stimulating conversation), and emotional (someone who cares about their day who they can talk to) needs. Unfortunately most people are too absorbed in themselves to really be able to fully take on that role but if you do it’s very much appreciated.

    • sugar baby monkey says:

      Yes, it’s more popular in USA because perhaps only USA’s people should be here and not people from other countries, so what are you doing here?

    • zito says:

      the USA is the best place to be for everything except healthcare…so, theres that lol

  93. Jaybird923 says:

    My flights delayed and no one is up to chat with.

  94. sugar baby monkey says:

    Monkey is in love

  95. THEATLSD says:

    @All piggy backing off RSD. I have been hanging, posting, remarking all week on IG. This blog is 1000% more sane then what’s being fed to SB on there. Even Sugarbaby Monkey makes more sense, so much so that that I’ll buy her/it a container full of bananas.

    My faith in online Sugaring is diminishing.

  96. Josh says:

    @Online called an SB an escort. Most of us disagreed.

    Here is an escort. She is posting in a different blog page. She wants to know what gave it away. I am not telling…yet. 😉


    • Jaybird923 says:

      I think I know which part you’re referring to but I’ll follow your lead and wait :-))

      • Jaybird923 says:

        I’m curious to find out if we picked the same thing. You should get my email address from online if you don’t want to discuss further on the blog.

    • Elaine says:


      Call me naive, but I think this is a very inviting profile of a very pretty SB?

      What make you think she is an escort??

      • Foxy McSugar says:

        I would really like to know what in my profile gives that impression.
        Perhaps it is my direct and honest approach to sex and sensuality? I am fully in my feminine power and I know what I enjoy. Maybe that’s too much to say on a profile?

  97. Sunshine2serenity says:

    Yay Lovely! You haven’t abandoned us yet :D.

    • lovelynyours says:

      Oh, I’ll still stop by the blog from time to time. My life in the sugar bowl won’t cease, just my life in the online sugar bowl. Waiting til I’m sure the pot SD I have my eye on confirms the time on our date next week before I deactivate, since we’ve been using SA to communicate thus far.

  98. Jaybird923 says:

    If you know she’s acting then she’s not doing a very good job.

  99. Josh says:

    Calling out a lying SB is a form of disrespect for her art of act.

  100. Josh says:


    “Just list Moderate and juggle multiple SDs. You’re more likely to hit 10k monthly that way rather than from one SD. I have 2 for this reason.”

    We know that you are a pro. I am sure that your life is less hectic with two SDs instead of tens of johns.

  101. RSD says:

    Well, I guess I’ve been off the blog for several months now. Last SB lasted close to six months before I abruptly terminated things due to a communicable sexually transmitted disease she had presumably caught quite recently from someone else. Needless to say, she denied having been with any other guy for the six months we were together, etc, etc, but I always believe what I see, not what I’m told. And I had not been with anyone else the whole time, and it was something that would come up quickly after exposure and go away within a couple of months, so I knew I was not the culprit.

    After her, I took a break from sugar dating for about five months. Being away from the drama and lies and bullcrap was kind of peaceful. I also figured perhaps I could answer a question I’ve had for the past seven years of sugar dating–whether sugar dating had made my marriage more or less tolerable. I figured I could give my wife a chance, and if things are better without an SB, then I can forego one indefinitely. As it turned out, marriage is more intolerable with no SB, but life is in some overall ways better (fewer sources of drama, no late night aggravating texts that interfere with sleep, less getting lied to for money, etc). After five months though, the temptation of sugar life grew and I started looking again recently.

    Last night I went on first date with pot #3. First dates with pots #1 and #2 were ok but definitely no sparks. I figure if I leave the first date with no strong desire to jump a girl’s bones, so-to-speak, there isn’t the right chemistry to move forward. But pot #3 definitely won the prize in providing a memorable first date experience:

    The evening started with her telling me she’s a pre-med junior at a local university. Great, except she looked like a deer caught in headlights when I asked her what her major was and when she was planning on taking her MCATs. Any pre-med by junior year is shitting her pants about the process that lies ahead in the next 18 months and knows the exact plan. Not her. I asked, “What are you majoring in,” to which she replied, “Umm, I haven’t decided yet.” “Any subjects interest you?” “Yeah, science!!!” “But that’s not a major.” “Ummm yeah, well, maybe biology. Yeah, I like biology.” “Oh, that’s great…” From the rest of the conversation, it seemed to me she didn’t quite know what MCATs were. But, whatever.

    Then starts the snap-chatting. Every few minutes she’d pull out her phone to snap-chat. She even said, “I’m not being rude here, I’m just snap-chatting.” Every item that was brought out, she’d snap-chat it. And she ordered four appetizers, two entrees, and dessert, snap-chatting each, plus random snap-chats every couple of minutes. And when I was about to dig my spoon into dessert, she said “No!”, grabbed the plate away from me, took her jolly time snapchatting pictures of it while the a la mode part was melting away and getting soggy in front of my eyes, then said that I could now eat it. I should add that, in my personal experience, skinny girl ordering seven items is pretty much bulimia till proven otherwise, but who knows, maybe the girl is blessed with amazing metabolism (although she did say she has lost a lot of weight recently).

    The other funny thing was that she was specifically ordering random items just because they were the most expensive on the menu. To be honest, I really don’t care about how much dinner costs, and I love spending a hundred bucks on white truffles at dinners with SBs, but I found it funny when she ordered foie gras (presumably because it was the most expensive appetizer on the menu), yet had no idea either how to pronounce it or what it was (I had to tell her it was the fatty liver of force-fed ducks). And before all the women bloggers jump on me for taking her to a place out of her league, I’d have to point out that she picked the restaurant herself and insisted we go there. I had never been there and I never mind a new place, so there we went.

    She was also quite visibly annoyed by my no-alcohol / substance-free-meets policy (I told her before we met that there would be no ordering alcohol), and despite her being too young to legally drink, she seemed quite unhappy with that restriction. But I am quite glad I didn’t get to experience her downing seven bottles of wine.

    Then I asked if she had had any previous SDs, and she said, “Yes!” So my next question was, “Great! What was your arrangement?” I drew a complete blank. “How long did it last?” “Ummmmmm…. Three months.” “And why did it end?” “Ummmmm……. He had health problems.”

    I proceed to tell her endless stories of lies SBs had told me, including about previous SDs who never existed, previous lucrative arrangements that existed only in fantasy, girls who told me they went to school when they didn’t, etc, etc (all true stories of my experiences with SBs, btw).

    After the date, she texted me that her previous SD paid her $1k per meet, suggesting, I suppose, that that’s what she would expect from me. I told her that he was quite generous and hopefully his health will recover and she can be back with him…

    • S A I says:

      z generation in a nutshell

    • Sunshine2serenity says:

      Sounds like you got hit by a tumblerite.

      • S A I says:

        hey S2S what do you think of my profile ?

      • Sunshine2serenity says:

        You’re very good looking :). I’m not a sugar momma though :P.
        I’d leave your headline as “Tall, dark and handsome” but take out the type.
        Probably elaborate more on how you would add to an SD’s life – the kind of dates you would go on together that kind of thing.
        Type it up in word so you don’t have any spelling mistakes (check Endeavors ;)) and you should be good to go :).

      • hototrot1 says:


        I understand you’e looking for an SD, but you are EXACTLY my type where looks are concerned. I don’t know what your body looks like, but swarthy Mediterranean/Arabic men— swoon! I don’t know your cultural background, so I’m just going by appearance.

    • Reb. says:

      So you go on a date with a girl under 21 and expect her to act like a respectable adult. Well, that’s your first problem. The Snap-chatting was pretty hilarious, though.

      • RSD says:

        Well, Reb, yes, if I meet someone under 21 who is advertised as a college student (that is the age of the typical college student in fact), I don’t expect them to act 40, but I do expect them to in fact be a college student.

        I had an SB a few years back who was 21 when I met her. She claimed she was a college student studying sociology. Within a couple of weeks I knew she was lying about attending college but I said nothing. Yet, the false college stories continued. One day she needed a laptop immediately because she had a project due the next day and her laptop broke. I was left with two choices–call her out on her lie, or buy her a laptop. And I opted for the latter. She was young, cute, fun in bed, showed up on time, etc, so why confront her and bring drama into the situation? Finally, the straw that broke the camel’s back was when she told me, “I got a 97 and 98 on my finals!” Congratulating her, I was thinking, “What BS!!!” So I finally confronted her. She emphatically denied my allegations at first but finally admitted to having lied for five months about being a student. Then she died what all pathological liar do–she blamed her lies on an imaginary abusive ex whose abusiveness had induced her to turn into a liar. She didn’t last long after that. Primarily because she wanted to keep lying.

      • Petite Little Lady says:

        RSD, you do not seem to have good luck in this department…
        Reb, not all young girls are immature and disrespectful. Some of us had good parents who taught us manners, had jobs since we were 16 which taught us discipline, and went to college which taught us that we will always be learning.

      • Anonymous says:

        RSD, no offense, but if you want someone who respects your time and wants an actual conversation that does not revolve around social media, you’ll have to up your age range. The brain doesn’t even fully develop until 25, so let that speak for itself. The average 19 year old college student on a sugar baby website is not going to act mature. When you find her, let us know.

    • Jaybird923 says:

      @RSD At first I was annoyed by the long post because it made it take longer to load the page but I take it all back. Sorry you had a bad time but this was hilarious. Thank you for sharing lol

      • RSD says:

        Yes, even for me that was a long post. But I didn’t know how to capture the whole date in fewer words lol. I’m glad you got a laugh out of it 🙂

      • Jaybird923 says:

        You’re a very good story teller. I felt like I was there. lol You guys have way more patience than me. I would’ve asked for the check, thank her for her time, and leave.

    • Steph says:

      that sounds horrible! My generation is super into their phones, I”m sorry lol. Hope you find a better SB soon!

      • IHF2030 says:

        I’ve always wondered if these young women behave in such strange ways when dealing with guys their own age, in real world, non-sugar situations?

      • Jaybird923 says:

        The guys their own age are probably sitting across from them doing the same thing.

      • lovelynyours says:

        What Jay said. That’s Reason #1524 why I don’t date men in their 20s to mid 30s. Sugar or otherwise.

      • Elaine says:

        Bingo @lovely!

        It is funny that SDs go after teens, and then complain about them behaving as teens.
        That is like blaming a dog for barking, or a monkey for climbing.

        I never date anyone who is more then 15 years younger.
        I just have nothing in common with them, we live in different worlds, speak different “languages” and the sex is often selfish and boring. (Reason #2)

        And I don’t need a toyboy to pump up my self esteem or make me feel young again.

      • Reb. says:

        @Elaine: Or they go after teens offering $200 per date and wonder why they aren’t responding because $200 to a 19 year old is ~so~ much! It could …like.. pay of their.. like… cell phone bill! Duh! They should be grateful for that $200!

      • hototrot1 says:

        I have a high school FB friend who’s posts are constant pictures of food and her depressed-looking, bored “hubby”. I knew them both way back when. They were gorgeous people. Nowadays? Let’s just say, the years have not been good.

        The pictures of the food are not even appealing. Ginormous hot dogs smothered in cheese whiz and fake chili sauce is not SEXY. I like low end eats from time to time, but that’s all she posts. Non stop Middle Americana trashy cuisine. It would be great if she was being retro and cute, but she isn’t. lol

        I pull out my phone when I’m having a special occasion meal, but rarely.

      • hototrot1 says:

        Now a good friend of mine did upload some pictures from Gates Barbecue, something I grew up on in Kansas City, and had me drooling. Certainly not high end, but made me miss home a little bit. New York City doesn’t know a damn thing about good ‘cue! My daddy had two barbecue businesses and he smoked all night. It was like religion in our culture. When it comes to food, New York has everything but nothing of what I really want sometimes. Went to some cute Southern-inspired place that advertised biscuits and gravy ( a staple in my grandmas kitchen/simple poor people food). They charged me $30 for one of the worst things I’ve ever put in my mouth. How do you mess up biscuits and gravy???

    • IHF2030 says:

      RSD…I have had encounters similar to what you described, so I can relate. At least it provides some quality entertainment.

      • Sunshine2serenity says:

        In answer to your question yes yes they do.
        I went on a date with a guy who insisted on taking photos of the food to send it to his friends. Needless to say it was one of the last dates that I went on with him.

        SERIOUSLY ITS F*CK*NG FOOD. It’s for appreciating the artistry, sniffing, and eating. If the person isn’t there too bad they should have come along. I hate this relentless sharing nonsense that goes on. Especially the #eatingbreakfast #onthetrain #mornings #takingadump (OK I made that last one up but you get the idea).

      • lovelynyours says:

        I will guiltily admit that I like taking pictures of my food, in certain circumstances. BUT in my defense:

        1. I’ll only take a picture if it’s truly stunning – impeccable execution, stellar presentation, from a five star or Michelin-rated restaurant.

        2. I only got into it from dating my ex (traditional, not sugar), who was 48. He turned me into a huge foodie.

        3. I’d never take pictures unless I knew the person I was with was also a huge foodie who liked taking pictures. Otherwise I’m totally outing myself as a weirdo and that’s perhaps not the look I’m usually going for. 🙂

      • Sunshine2serenity says:

        Fair enough Lovely :).
        It’s people who don’t really care but want to showboat that get me. If you’re on a date why whip out your phone to show your friends what you’re eating? Why aren’t you out with your friends eating if you’re going to text them during dinner? I suppose its the extent more than it just happening once :).

      • lovelynyours says:

        Oh, I get that. I usually take the pics for me. I might post them up later in the week, or I might not.

      • SouthernSB says:

        I would never take pictures of food no matter how it’s presented or how pretty it looks. It’s food!!! It goes into your stomach and it turns into shit. Why would I take a picture of a dinner and dessert that I didn’t make? I’m eating it and I will always have the memories of a great meal. If I want someone to know just how great, pretty the food was all I have to do is open my mouth and describe it to them. Frankly I hate the whole snapchat, FB, twitter, kik, and whatever the hell else thing people are doing instead of just talking to each other. It’s making people lazy and killing imagination, creativity and the ability to communicate.

      • hototrot1 says:

        It’s sooo funny. My 25 year old first cousin, a male, recently visited me. I took him to Central Park, the Met and all of the big landmarks. All he did was take pictures and talk into his phone. I asked, “What are you doing?” He was Snap Chatting. We couldn’t even talk to each other about the experiences we were having, because he had to document everything. He was like narrating his own travelogue or something. I’m like “When is it going to air?” lol

    • THEATLSD says:

      I agree with S2S you’ve been tumblred.
      It’s getting ugly out there.

    • Steph says:

      Something I just noticed. I was looking at who viewed me, just checking out their profiles. There is a common thing I’m starting to see. “very dominate” “Looking to dominate”. Like wtf? Do I look like a submissive little girl or something? I dont get it!

    • Petite Little Lady says:

      Oh, my god…
      I’m really sorry for saying this.. but..
      I know it’s probably not funny at all to you since you had to endure an entire meal of it; but oh my goodness!!!!

      I take it you’re ready to ask pot #3 out on another date 😛 xD. Better get that ATM card ready!

      In all seriousness- you seem like a good guy. I would’ve dunked the phone in water by the time we got to dessert… Snapchatting.. sheesh.

    • SouthernSB says:

      That SB got all her tips from the girls on Tumblr. OMG, I can see it now, she’s going to be posting pictures of all the food that she didn’t know how to pronounce and didn’t know what it was and talk about how you were “salty” because you didn’t give her 1K for just existing. She might even try to “out” you on the “blacklist” because you are so “cheap” and didn’t “pay” her for showing up. The girls on Tumblr are so ridiculous that they are some kind of bad chariactures of what a SB is. They are poisoning the bowl, because they are not SBs they are just plain out and out escorts playing like they are SBs.

    • zito says:

      that is both a great and horrific story….can i have her number rsd…lol

  102. Sunshine2serenity says:

    Don’t feed the troll. Don’t feed the troll..

  103. Angel_Babyx says:

    Hi ! Can I get some advice on my profile ? I am looking for a substantial allowance but a lot of SD responses I’ve received can’t seem to be able to provide it.

    • Sunshine2serenity says:

      The others will be able to provide a more detailed critique. I’d suggest one photo with more natural looking makeup. A full body shot is always a good idea so an SD can get an idea about your figure. Your photos at the moment show that you are stunning but don’t emphasize your natural beauty.

      You need to provide an idea in your profile of what it will be like to be with you e.g. enjoying a picnic in the park together or seeing a show at the theater with you making witty remarks about how they’ve marketed the show etc etc. Play to your strengths and incorporate them into what that means to your SD.

    • Jaybird923 says:

      You have two options either adjust your expectations or hold out for substantial. Nothing you put in your profile is going to convince an SD to spend more than he’s willing. That doesn’t mean there isn’t one who is willing. It just might take a while to find him.

    • RSD says:

      Substantial allowances are quite rare, so good luck finding it. It does exist; I have definitely done it in the past myself, but I would never go for an SB who demands it up front. If she proves her worth, then I become more generous.

      • Angel_Babyx says:

        Thank you @Sunshine2serenity @Jaybird923 @RSD for replying. I chose substantial because I’ve had a SD in the past that I’ve met off-site that’s offered that amount.. After a few months of searching, I have come to realize genuine substantial allowances are rare. I would never demand cash up front for the first meeting and I’m fine with meeting someone a couple of times for drinks/coffee etc. to see if there is a genuine connection before even talking about an allowance… I think I’ll make the changes on my profile and hold out a little longer!

    • Reb. says:

      Just list Moderate and juggle multiple SDs. You’re more likely to hit 10k monthly that way rather than from one SD. I have 2 for this reason.

    • Josh says:

      What’s stopping your from asking for $25,000/month allowance?

    • Strong Independent SB says:

      You are pretty but substantial allowances from the start are mythical. Most men, even sober, find me attractive and it took me 3 months to find a reliable allowance of $2k. See Fundude’s comments.

    • THEATLSD says:

      This been brought up many times on here. Your best chance to find that elusive substantial SD is to start at moderate. You will get more responses then you can work through find a POT that can move to the next level.

    • FunDude says:

      What does “curvy” mean in your profile?

      That is my biggest concern considering you have no full body picture.

      Only supermodel level women should even consider thinking about Substantial. Those women will often only get it for a few months as well.

      • Angel_Babyx says:

        I do have body pictures in my private showcase. I wrote curvy because I have big boobs and ass with a small waist.. Which is pretty proportionate with my height. Also, I tried to sound interesting lol! Before “petite curvy asian” I just wrote “hi”

    • JamminJ2015 says:

      @Angel_Babyx. I’ve seen this a million times. A sb gets offered or receives for a brief period of time an allowance that is ridiculously high from someone with more money than brains. This sets an unreal expectation in their mind that they should get that amount always. They hold out for the big fish but it never comes. They occasionally get a high offer but it’s a one or two hit wonder who just wanted a taste and then its’s over.

      Meanwhile they continuously turn down practical & moderate offers from nice sd’s who just want a consistent arrangement with one sincere and appreciative woman. They could have earned more in the long run from one or two of these consistent sd’s but alas it’s not to be. They’re dreaming of that golden ticket, those winning lotto numbers, the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. I wish you luck in your search.

      • hototrot1 says:

        I get what you’re saying @Jammin

        It’s like the phenomenon where women can date (have sex) far outside of what Fun Dude calls our SMP range, which gives a lot of women an entitlement for certain men. The reality is most end up dating/marrying their equal or lower. I hate assigning value to human beings, but I will do it just to make this point.

        That’s the crux of the man/woman disconnect in dating. A mediocre female can generally sleep with the hottest guy in a room anywhere she goes. A mediocre guy, generally, can not. I think men are blessed by this because, they aren’t getting the mixed signals. They get to live in REALITY. A woman will give no part of herself to a man she considers sub par, a lot of men will. Just how it is.

        Meanwhile, the guy she sleeps with won’t claim her come daylight, make her wifey or even girlfriend. But, in her mind, she thinks “I scored THAT, I must be on THAT level”.

        I hope this isn’t far off you guys’ discussion, but something I’ve thought about for awhile.

    • Finesse says:

      @Angel, I may be one of the few on the blog who is giving a substantial allowance. I think Toronto has a lot of Asians, and while you’re very pretty, I think a few suggestions might help. First, get rid of the photo with the male driver. No one wants to see that. Second, a full body photo would be very helpful.

      Also, mentioning that you’re OK with a married man would help, if you are. A single male who can afford a substantial allowance doesn’t really need to be on this site. He will have women lined up for him. Mentioning that you can work around his schedule and are discreet would also help.

      I would get better photos as well. They don’t need to be professional, but should be at least as good as some of the better instagram feeds, like @mickeymyca or @juli.annee.

      • Angel_Babyx says:

        Thank you @Finesse, I’m uploading some newer photos.. it’s hard to show the full body without it being a bikini pic (I tend to take a lot of those)… would it come across too much if I did have a bikini picture up? I don’t want to come across as pay for play as that’s not what I’m looking for.

      • lovelynyours says:

        It doesn’t have to be a bikini pic – put a pic up of you in a cocktail dress and heels. That’s just as effective.

    • ______ says:

      I live in your city and previous looked at your profile; a few thoughts:
      – “Fat chic” angle on your pictures combined with “curvy” is almost always a red flag – I’d try some different perspective pictures which shows you are actually slim or have a nice figure.

      – Profile didn’t really convey value and focused more on your needs for lots of money than what you bring to the table.

      Changing to negotiable and going out on a few drink or coffee dates will give people a good chance to evaluate your substance and determine chemistry. Best of luck in finding what you’re looking for.

      • Angel_Babyx says:

        Lol at Fat Chic angle.. I uploaded some new photos so hopefully it will be better and changed my expectations to negotiable 🙂

        Thank you xx

    • Jj says:

      As Finesses says, crop out the dude in the driver’s seat; not a good “hint”

  104. Strong Independent SB says:

    @GP – you may be a nice person, but I don’t have any respect for women who are 30+ and sugar dating. Get a job and take care of yourself.

    To the tool, I don’t converse with misogynists.

    • GeorgiaPeach12 says:

      Thanks for the feedback Honey, but if my status really concerned you, I’d ask for your comments. My profile doesn’t ask for money. I’m fine. Really. And it’s nothing for you to worry about. I’m just here for the fantastic sex with these hunks. LOL Can’t you tell? LMAO. BTW, some of the SB’s here who are 30+ could likely teach you a thing or two.

    • Elaine says:

      @Strong (??)

      Let me tell you something;
      Do you really think we older SBs are interested in getting the respect of a girl using words as “THOT”? LOL

      Your immature, low class reaction shows it all.
      This is exactly the reason why a lot of successful > 40 men would never want to be with an UNDER 30 SB.
      Read @RSD’s experiences, if you want to know some of the other reasons.

      Because, really!?
      You are a well known businessman, or successful CEO, and you want to be seen in a quality restaurant with a girl (other then your daughter), too young to drink a good glass of wine, constantly snapshatting her food, ordering foie grass, not knowing what it is, or how to pronounce?
      God, how embarrasing must that feel!

      So while you are competing with hundreds of thousands beautiful, similar looking < 30 SBs, and get buried by messages from John's and wannabee's, photocollectors and cheap P2P proposals, we silently gniffle by your ignorance and prejudices.

      And since in higher age ranges the competition is low and the demand high, we will catch the quality SDs for long term relationships, because we come from a generation that knows how to take care of our man and make him feel like he is the center of our attention…

    • Jj says:

      noun \ˈfwä-ˈgrä\

  105. Josh says:

    @S A I

    “Hey do you think you could take a moment to just have a quick skim through my profile and tell me what you think? Your advice for others seems very thorough and helpful.”

    I wish you best of luck but it seems SA is not the best platform for gay arrangements. You may have better luck because you’re smoking hot. 😉

  106. Josh says:

    Here is my dearest @Sexy’s Tumblr’s blog [http://arocknrollsugarbaby.tumblr.com/]

    • S A I says:

      Josh id love your critique on my profile

    • Josh says:

      You need more photos, public or private.

      Your profile is too short. You’re articulate. Beef it up.

      Lose this line “I dont plan on using this site for a very long time so if you want to message me do so before i vanish.”

      • S A I says:

        hahaha thanks mate do you reckon i should like change my username/headline to mughal prince or something that exploits my otherness? Or would that sound lame and pretentious?
        Yeah to be honest that line doesn’t read well but i wanted to convey my sense of urgency.

    • Josh says:

      @S A I

      Since I am not a gay SD, I don’t know if that would fly or not. You may give it a shot and see what happens.

      Have you received any responses at all?

  107. Strong Independent SB says:

    I am not on welfare and I won’t be independent until December when Ib graduate with my second degree. I have an SD that covers my living expenses. I legit like hanging out with him but I recognize that still makes me a ho to most. At least I am not a stupid ho now giving it up to my loser bf without getting anything back.

  108. YesKali says:

    Oh wow! I guess I was way off the mark. Just wondering where the bad attitude towards men comes in, because it’s so not in my nature.
    looks like I’m in for a full rewrite, smh.

    • Josh says:

      Dig deeper. Do soul searching. Recruit @Jay or @Lovely @Online to help with your profile.

      • YesKali says:

        Thanks for the advice, I obviously really need it!
        Back to the drawing board.

      • lovelynyours says:

        In addition to what’s already been mentioned – you are looking for a wealthy man in Fairfield County, Connecticut. One of the wealthiest, WASPiest counties in the United States. Soo, let’s maybe axe the rapper references. Besides, you have no idea how overused that line is on SA and dating sites generally. And “a ***** gotta eat?” Are you serious right now? Please be aware of who your audience is and what they seek.

        Axe the line about how you’ve stalked the site for years; it makes you sound as though you’ve been unsuccessful in finding an SD for years but are trying to cover that up.

        Remove references of being spoiled as well. There’s a lot of work to do here, but make all your edits and circle back at some point; we’ll see if there’s anything else in the second pass.

    • sugar baby monkey says:

      @yeskali Hi i’m the monkey of the blog i just want to say, according to Josh (georgiapeach12’s husband) every woman here have bad attitude towards men

  109. Josh says:

    @Feeling Around SD

    “With irony I am from a Nigerian royal family. But that really doesn’t mean anything because there are so many.”

    Welcome to the blog Your Highness!!!


  110. EducatedbyBri says:

    So I’ve gotten a chance to update my profile and wanted some feedback on the changes I’ve made, can you all please check out my profile and advise!!! Thank you in advance

    • Josh says:

      Do you have ADD? You are all over the map.

      • EducatedbyBri says:

        No I don’t, but what made you ask? I’m open yo feed back but please don’t be insulting.

    • Jaybird923 says:

      I would remove the line about not being a gold digger looking to take his money because you are… looking to take his money that is. You can’t ask for a monthly allowance and then say you’re not looking to take his money. otherwise not bad not great

  111. Josh says:

    The Guru LUVS strong, independent women on welfare of one kind or the other.

  112. YesKali says:

    Hello everyone it’s my first time posting in the SA blog. I was hoping you could take a look at my profile and provide some feedback. It would be very much appreciated 🙂

    • Josh says:


      You have horror movie photos and bad attitude toward men.

    • Jaybird923 says:

      SInce you answered my question I’ll answer yours
      Your profile pictures suck. You might as well leave it blank than to put up the ones you have now.

      Your profile is horrible it’s long for no reason. It’ s full of unnecessary information. To many adjectives, spelling and grammatical errors. It doesn’t say what you bring to the table or how you plan to enhance an SDs life. It does have a negative tone in some places.

      Scroll down and look at @Maggie’s profile yours doesn’t have to be like hers but note the difference between yours and hers. hope this helps

    • Josh says:

      Correction @Jay

      “Scroll down and look at @Maggie’s profile EDITED BY NONE OTHER THAN THE GURU HIMSELF…yours doesn’t have to be like hers but note the difference between yours and hers. hope this helps”

    • GeorgiaPeach12 says:

      Hi YesKali!

      I don’t often provide feedback, but since most of the “regulars” seem to be gone or are “off” today, let me see what I can do to help.

      First, you need to start by completely reading and then re-reading your profile for Grammar and Spelling. I see LOTS of spelling errors and those will certainly turn off an educated, knowledgeable SD. You also might want to re-write and combine some of your one-line paragraphs, so they connect together and read with a flow to them – not bounce around from topic to topic. What you say is good and I like it, but your words and paragraphs just need that rhythm and logic to make them have sense. I haven’t viewed your photos, but I can tell you from what the SD’s here say, you need to have one of yourself, full length, showing off your gorgeous figure, in a nice LBD with your heels. SD’s love SB’s who wear high heels and most will tell you such. Your expectation seems logical, but you need to also state your Occupation since an SD will want to know exactly what you are doing and why you want to be mentored. “Working hard” just doesn’t tell them anything. And that “warning” statement at the bottom – means absolutely nothing. I don’t believe it is actually enforceable and a SB who wants her profile read, acknowledged and responded, doesn’t need that. The whole point is to have a profile that sells yourself to an appropriate SD. You need to TELL him and SHOW him why he should chose YOU over anyone else. Good Luck!

  113. GeorgiaPeach12 says:

    @Strong Independent SB July 24, 2015 at 5:23 pm
    “…Sorry I don’t have a partially exposed face because that would make all the difference in the world. Really THOT?”

    LOL. At least I have a face on here.
    Independent my ass. If you are so independent you would show something else besides that blue “G” here. I would certainly be careful whom I was calling a “THOT” since that is something on the order of the “pot calling the kettle…” if you know what I mean. Maybe it’s just a jealousy thing after all. LOL Tell us, you really have your heart set on seducing Josh.

    • Jaybird923 says:

      what does THOT mean? I thought she just misspelled though..

      • YesKali says:

        It means “that ho over there”

      • Jaybird923 says:

        lol Thank you for explaining what the acronym means. but I don’t understand the context in which it was used. Really THOT = Really that ho over there?

      • lovelynyours says:

        I’m not sure rapper/hip hop slang is supposed to make sense.

        Stack Exchange provides this example:

        “Marquan: ‘Yo thats my main girl.’ Deshaun: ‘She yo main girl but she my main thot.'”


      • Jaybird923 says:

        @Lovely okay never mind lol I just won’t use it. But if some one should say it to me, I should be offended correct?

      • lovelynyours says:


        I guess so? I’m probably the very last person to ask – I had to look it up myself. 🙂 I guess it just means a ho. Though I don’t understand why a random acronym that is somehow longer than the actual word is even necessary at all.

      • Sunshine2serenity says:

        I think if your best friend calls you a THOT it’s ok. Kind of like how us Aussies call each other horrible words and if we start calling you “Mate” then you’re in trouble!

      • Steph says:

        A thot is a girl who uses guys for drinks in the club guys!!! lol at all the comments ^

      • GeorgiaPeach12 says:


  114. Josh says:


    “@Maggie. $3000 a month is chump change, if u live in ny.”

    How many SBs live in NYC?

    “If u attend a broadway show, not even great seats, that alone will run $500, that is not counting, transportation, parking, unless in a limo and dining out.”


    “On another note, There are some good men on here. It is just trying to find the needle in a hay stack, an old cliche.”

    So you are going to rattle off some high ticket items and then look for the needle in the haystack?

    • rembodler says:

      After looking at @TTB profile I have only one thing to say:
      Now I understand why NYC-based SDs import women from all over the country.
      If this is what you get for “3000 chump change”, it is worth plane tickets and hotel stay…
      Vive la France…

    • Josh says:

      @ThinTallBlond writes like a imported Russian whore in NYC.

  115. Hi there, noticed that substantial and High expectation profile women are more inclined to request upfront gifts, pre-meet transfer, immediate money proposal and or shopping money prior to the first meet.

    The usual excuse is that they need to show that one is serious and the approach seems to be a play on the ego….you’re stingy, not serious, not like some other idiot that gave me 10k no questions….etc…with a general attitude…accede to my request or goodbye.

    Now, while a lot of the women are exceptionally attractive, I have to remind myself that they offer nothing but a profile picture with no ability to verify its legitimacy. And they seem to miss the point that a long term arrangement is as much about the attractiveness of their personality as well their looks.

    I would describe it simply as…the great (apparent) looks persuades me to contact you (pass or fail) and the quality of your personality determines whether I want to spend time with you or not.

    A prospective Sb got in touch 4 weeks after my email to let me know that her birthday was this weekend and she would really like me to get her and her group of friends a table at so and so place.

    Now…someone like me simply cannot bite on that kind of proposal, clearly the SB is only interested in the money (speaking the obvious) with no real understanding of the ‘service’ (for lack of a better word) that ought to provide in return. IOW massive entitlement.

    Now it must be the case that people do send them this money…otherwise would they not either leave SA or adjust their approach? I would like to know who the SDs are that seem to be feeding this attitude. I have modest wealth 9 < Wealth Me < 12 million sterling and understand the value of money; I worked very hard for it.

    Are there some Elephant oligarchs on here giving out 10s of thousands on a whim? if so would I be able to start an SB profile to get in on the action. There might be strong business case for that.

    • cryptic anomaly says:

      What a woman demands/expects has little correlation to what she is offering/what she looks like etc. I have found that some of the most charming and attractive women are simply requesting Minimal-Practical amounts and they are a lot more down to Earth and reliable than the ones who want the High and Substantial amounts.

      I never give money on first meetings or too meet at all and I don’t provide money until chemistry has been established and an arrangement agreed upon.

      I am happy to meet as many times as a woman wants to before that is established but not for money. This helps weed out the Diva’s and rinsers.

    • lovelynyours says:

      My educated guess: The only guys who are sending that kind of cash are nigerian princes. It’s highly likely that they’re simply trying to use psychology to get you to do something you otherwise wouldn’t do. Don’t fall for it. Any SB who tells you she got a guy she’s never met to send her $10,000 without hesitation, based on a profile pic and a few exchanges, is lying.

      • @ lovelynyours – With irony I am from a Nigerian royal family. But that really doesn’t mean anything because there are so many.

        @ cryptic anomaly – Thank you for that, that sounds very sensible. It’s a shame because some of those girls appear to be smoking hot.

      • lovelynyours says:

        Well, this is awkward.

        In my defense, people in the U.S. get a lot of scams from people claiming to be nigerian princes. Hence the commonly known reference.. nonetheless, my bad. No offense intended. 🙂

      • Non taken. I get the same emails to annoying.

    • Sunshine2serenity says:

      I’ve been chatting with a couple of SDs who I’m friends with (on another blog). There seems to be a consensus that at a certain point it becomes wasted money. If you don’t have a lot then even a small amount makes a big difference. If you want a quality SB you probably don’t want the kind of woman who is going to get excited over $10 but you also don’t want the high maintenance woman who wants the lifestyle and $5-10k.

      Seems to be 2-3k monthly allowance is the “sweet spot” to start with depending on where you live and if you want to meet once a week (major city here but not as expensive as some of the stateside cities where I assume it would be more like 4k). This means she has enough to cover all normal expenses and can save/pay off loans as well as deal with maintenance (looking pretty costs money >:/). If it doesn’t work out then it’s not too much of an ouch for the SD (hopefully!). If things do work out then you can offer her things like a shopping trip to get a dress for the function you want her to attend or sexy lingerie etc. If she has something come up in her life then you can offer to deal with it if you’re inclined to.

      I’ve talked to a few who’ve been offering 8K+ and it doesn’t seem to have been of much benefit to them – they’ve had women flake, women who go nutty after a couple of dates etc. Also think that if you go too high it can be intimidating like there’s a lot of pressure on you to be absolutely perfect and coupled with everything else some SBs can’t handle it.

      Offer practical/low moderate even if you have the funds to go higher. Let the relationship develop. If she’s worth it then make her happy and she’ll stay with you. Don’t mess around with people who want massive sums upfront without any relationship development.

    • FunDude says:

      No one is giving these worthless women any money. They are just trying to pretend they have more value than they can obtain in the SMP.

  116. Steph says:

    Hey guys! I know it was awhile ago but I wanted to apologize for my behavior. I was defensive and even if someone was rude to me I shouldn’t freak out. Thank you for the tips with improving my profile and hope all of you are doing well.

  117. Ria says:


    Ive had several men favorite me but not send a message. Is it upto me to reach out to them?

    • Anonymous says:

      Ria – they may not be premium members and therefore they can’t message you. They also may be waiting to see if you are interested. If you like their profile, favorite them back or send a “hello how are you” message.

    • rembodler says:

      Since you are asking this question, you probably do not have 200 messages in your Inbox you don’t even have time to answer. If this is the case, you may want to work with “favoriting” SDs.
      Most SBs still have the mentality of “hard to get”. A few of my exes confessed that they would never even click on profiles unless they have already been contacted by that SD.They thought it makes them look “desperate” as the SD will “know” they clicked on his profile. I don’t really understand women’s logic (not a very PC thing to say, but women’s logic is real and does exist), but if you have other options you may want to proudly ignore the “favoriting SD” as someone who cannot even come up with a good opening flirt line.
      On the other had, that might be that magic unicorn, the shy sensitive nerd that will shower you with money. who knows…

    • cryptic anomaly says:

      @Ria – There are heaps of pretty girls on here and they all want money etc. To stand out and show a SD that you are something different, I suggest you show an interest in him and message him first, start with the ones who favourite you but also message the ones you think are interesting.

      This is dating reversed and not many SB’s actually understand that.

    • Finesse says:

      Yes, what do you have to lose? I kind of like it when the women reach out.

  118. sugar baby monkey says:

    I don’t understand how can someone talk to Josh with all the resentment he emanates

    • GeorgiaPeach12 says:

      Because Josh is just Josh… the “Guru” – he’s loved and honored by many, even if he does have a few quirky ideas sometimes. “He’s the man.” And he’s almost always right.

    • GeorgiaPeach12 says:

      Anonymous, You Coward. Hanging behind that screen. Your comment about “Younger, attractive women who can think for themselves don’t care for him” is full of crap. Josh is what he is. The end. Call me all the names all you want. My Name and Face are exposed here. You, on the other hand, hide like a child, spurting out untrue comments. Chicken Sh_t whomever you are. I sincerely hope that SA does away with this Anonymous crap soon, it is not fair for everyone else.

      • Strong Independent SB says:

        Sorry if that hit too close to home. I was just guessing about you but judging by your reaction it was likely on fleak. Sorry I don’t have a partially exposed face because that would make all the difference in the world. Really THOT?

      • sugar baby monkey says:

        @georgiapeach12 you’re amazing, don’t get sad! Monkey is your friend despite you’re the Josh’s wife

  119. Maggie says:

    @Josh….Just scrolled far enough to notice your comment, thanks for the advice! All sent off and waiting for approval, really appreciate the time taken x

  120. Maggie says:

    @anon/fundude….it wasn’t directed at you, sorry if you read it that way. I directed it at SD’s in general, just pointing out really to everyone that it would be nice if we could all just stop assuming SD’s are one way, and SB’s are the other; we are all different which is perhaps why I find it sad and cynical to boil everything down to mere statistics, facts and figures. But as I said, perhaps I’m naive in my thinking

  121. Josh says:

    @FunDude: “Just wait until statistics, macroeconomics and finance. Its going to get even worse!”


  122. Jaybird923 says:

    God you guys have been brutal on the new SBs lately. And yet the none of the usual suspects haven’t accused any of you of being jealous, mean or bitchy lol got to love the double standard :-))

    • FunDude says:

      Please elaborate on the “brutality”. I haven’t personally attacked or called anyone names.

      I have done simple supply/demand analyses of different attributes. That shouldn’t be perceived as brutal.

    • FunDude says:

      I actually thought it was pretty tame.

      If you disagree with any of my analysis, you are free to refute it in a coherent manner.

      This isn’t a “feminist” space where criticism (real or perceived) of women isn’t allowed.

      If you want that, go back to your feminist college courses.

      • GeorgiaPeach12 says:

        Honey Fun,
        Every time I think about disagreeing with you, I look at your photo and see your naked body in those plaid shorts. You stop me cold. Say what you will Darlin… for now. 😉

      • Jaybird923 says:

        1)I’ve never taken a feminist class nor would I waste my money on such nonsense.

        2)You know for a fact that I have no issues with criticizing women. In fact I’m usually one of the first to call them out

        3) Your supply and demand analysis makes perfect sense.. in theory but would fail in real life. There are to many variables that it doesn’t take into account. When it comes to love/sex human being are rarely practical.

        4)When have I ever not refute what you have to say in a coherent manner. I never argue with emotions/feelings. I always say what I have to in a clear and logical manner. I have a low tolerance for dramatics.

  123. Maggie says:

    @zito……ET!!! hahaha Oh good lord, I was hoping for a comparison slightly better than E.T, unless you watched some knockoff porno version (E.T bones home) and maybe the alien is a moderately attractive GIRL alien now. But I needed the laugh, so thanks 😉

  124. Maggie says:

    @Fundude….you know for someone with a username that literally states that are fun, you sure like turning every little debate into a spreadsheet/database 😉 Maybe I’m naive and am in the wrong place to find a nice SD; hell! maybe they don’t exist. But you seem sadly cynical.

    • FunDude says:


      I have to be pretty analytical with my arguments due to the delusional nature of things. I am attempting to be pretty impartial about the SMP valuations.

      To pretend there aren’t strong market forces here is laughable. Prices are determined by supply/demand curves regardless of “exceptions”.

      SBs ask opinions on their profiles and often don’t like the answer if it is “harsh”

      • Jaybird923 says:

        For god’s sake Fundude lay off the supply and demand stuff. I didn’t think your diatribe could get any worse than before but add a couple of business classes and it did. And you are anything but impartial about the SMP valuations. I almost miss reading the anti feminist stuff.

      • FunDude says:

        Just wait until statistics, macroeconomics and finance. Its going to get even worse!

        I truly believe the SMP can be determined in a very economical model.

      • Jaybird923 says:

        I’ve missed you fundude I can’t argue with you now I’m on my way out. Give me an hour :-))

      • Maggie says:

        I understand but it becomes frustrating when SB’s are insulted constantly for this lifestyle and we are all lumped in together as if all of us function the same and all expect 3000 a months (seriously where does this number come from, and who needs that much money!!) There are so many comments trashing us because apparently we all want a Richard Gere (Pretty Woman) arrangement and have a checklist. YES. Some women do, but no we are not all the same. It would be nice if SD’s could also acknowledge that they too can be extremely unrealistic in their expectation. I’ve seen so many profiles that just read like a magical machine in Willy Wonka’s adult factory. Including measurement requirements, breast size desire, huge brain, porn star in the bedroom, dress like a supermodel, incredible at conversation/social chameleon, must have the SAME interests as you, even WAIST/HIP MEASUREMENTS!! I mean come ON! I mean at least you’re being honest by the type of woman you are attracted to, but don’t bother ranting about how escorts are unwelcome and whatnot when you have actually said nothing about personality and most requirements have to do with being a runway model/porn star combination.

      • Anonymous says:


        I’ve never mentioned Richard Gere or anything else you wrote.

        The 3000/month is some “average” allowance number that SA made up.

        I have already debunked this fallacious statistic.

      • Steph says:

        @ maggie. I totally agree with you. Honesty is the best policy, a lot of SD’s have a skewed expectations on what their version of the perfect sb would be for them. However personally I might tweek my profile to make it flow better or little things but I’m not changing my personality. My chances are more slim b/c I’m not a size 2, I have short hair, tattoos and piercings. I found a awesome SD, so just be yourself and if it doesn’t work out then that’s fine.

    • GeorgiaPeach12 says:

      Perhaps a little background on “FunDude” will give you some insight (If that is possible). He’s a 35 y/o single-never-been-married medical doctor, in a practice with other medical doctors; he’s returned to school in Chicago this summer to work on his MBA; he had been seeking an SB here for some time, but discovered he had more success, just simply dating, with no “arrangement” involved; he is or was recently dating a SYT about 23, skinny, tall, blonde who apparently flipped his lid since she would “work out” with him, cook with him, travel with him and do anything else he requested of her, including the “fun” times in his bedrm. He intensely dislikes large, fat, obese, older than 35+ women for his dating purposes and he usually, by now has elaborated this. A good personality, “fun” female over 40 would be out of his league, particularly if she is over a size 2 or so. BTW. FunDude is also quite the smart one, very analytical; though I have wondered how he is at his “bedside” manner for his patients. 😉 Hope that helps. BTW, I felt compelled to tell you this, since I’m one of the much older ladies here with a bit more life experience than most SB’s and even some SD’s – but that doesn’t mean I don’t really like his gravatar – gee I could stare at his plaid shorts all day. LOL. Enjoy. 🙂

    • ThinTallBlond says:

      @Maggie. $3000 a month is chump change, if u live in ny. If u attend a broadway show, not even great seats, that alone will run $500, that is not counting, transportation, parking, unless in a limo and dining out. On another note, There are some good men on here. It is just trying to find the needle in a hay stack, an old cliche.

  125. OnlineNewbieSD says:

    @SA ADMIN – I was just scrolling through a search and saw a blurred profile listing that had an icon on the right hand side that said, “Premium Member Access Only” with a little heart lock and a link to upgrade membership…I’m a Premium Member…if this is an enticement to get someone to upgrade to Diamond, it’s not going to work without details about the profile and more assurances about the individual behind the profile.

    I’m confused at times with the “new” marketing methods…I’m hoping there’s a new blog post soon…but…I’m hopeful for the FORUM launch even sooner! @Puresunshine and the other recent profile request is a PERFECT example of how the site needs a place they can go to get help without building significantly to the chatter on the blog scroll!

    • S A I says:

      Hey do you think you could take a moment to just have a quick skim through my profile and tell me what you think? Your advice for others seems very thorough and helpful.

  126. Puresunshine says:

    Can some sugar daddies check out my profile and see what i can enhance to gain more attention? Thank you in advance!

    • OnlineNewbieSD says:

      @sunshine – don’t take offense…your profile SCREAMS escort to me…there’s no mystery, no personality, nothing that would make me believe you are anything but a “pro”…you should scroll through the last couple of blog posts and look at all the comments about what profiles should include…

    • gentleman soul says:

      I respect Online’s posts tremendously ,but I totally disagree . There is nothing to suggest escort -at all ! I like the straight forward simplicity of your profile. I want to know you are open to pleasuring me and taking care of me . After all that is what I am looking for .You are super cute although I would like to see a full length pic of you in a LBD and heels or a bikini. I can’t stand slogging through lengthy profiles . We can get more details off the site .

      • OnlineNewbieSD says:

        @gentleman – you’ll notice, I also clarified that there was nothing in the profile to distinguish her from that crowd, which is probably why she was getting attention from that crowd…if she wants to change the responses she’s getting, I gave her some ideas on where SDs might be getting the wrong idea.

    • Josh says:


      I was scratching my head on @ONSD’s escort comment as well. 😉

    • rembodler says:

      I have not seen any major problems. It did not scream anything at me. Pretty generic profile, if someone likes you, they will text you/text you back. I certainly suggest adding more photos.

    • rembodler says:

      Sorry – this belongs here.
      I have not seen any major problems. It did not scream anything at me. Pretty generic profile, if someone likes you, they will text you/text you back. I certainly suggest adding more photos.

    • OnlineNewbieSD says:

      Okay, now I feel compelled to justify my response…she talks about massage (a trigger word for the escort-crowd)…she provides very little about her involvement, except tending to wishes and desires (some flag words for me as far as escort is concerned – it’s the same language you can find on BP and EROS)…

      Those are the reasons I said she isn’t standing out from the escort crowd…you can argue with that, it’s anyone’s right…if she’s not happy with the attention she’s getting, something has to change…if she’s getting more escort/John communications, there might be a reason…

      Although, there was a good point by, I think @Gentleman a little ways down, about perception of escort/john versus a regular p2p arrangement…I believe her profile, the way it is written, will attract the p2p crowd, rather than the allowance crowd.

      But, that’s why we have the discussion board here!

      • Jaybird923 says:

        @online I picked up on thAt also but I saw her age and figured it was because she thinks that’s what is expected of her. Most people won’t pick up on those potential red flags

    • JamminJ2015 says:

      I like your profile. It is a bit brief and you need some clear pics that accurately show your figure and you’ll be good. I really like your smile. Now if you can return emails, msgs & texts in a timely & coherent manner then you’ll have a leg up so to speak on your fellow sb’s Good luck to you

  127. Josh says:

    For those under 25 (maybe a little older if you’re really youthful looking), when writing to attract older men, skip the terminology you would use to attract someone around your age. Most men who will contact you would be in their 40s and 50s.

    You need a flirty combination of what would work with your dad as well as a lover.

    Those in their high 20s and higher, the above “may” work if the age difference is big enough

    Most in that age and above think that they know enough about men so go screw yourself with that perceived “ability” 😉

  128. SouthernSB says:

    I have a question-Can a SD message me if he doesn’t have a premium membership?

    • OnlineNewbieSD says:

      If the SD has a “Standard” tag on his profile, he CANNOT message until he upgrades.

      • SouthernSB says:

        Is it different if you are communicating the new site from a laptop or PC? I’m not seeing anything that says “standard.”

      • OnlineNewbieSD says:

        If it doesn’t have a tag showing “Premium” or “Diamond” he’s probably a Standard member.

    • Anonymous says:

      A premium SD has an orange-brown bar on the side of his profile if he is premium in search mode. If the profile doesn’t have that, he is standard, non-premium.

  129. SouthernSB says:

    I don’t know how anybody can have more than one or at the most two SD. I mean after two I just don’t know how they can look at all that penii. I had a case of men just throwing themselves at me a few months ago, and I had to tell them all to just go home. Frankly I just got sick of looking at all that dick. I could never be a prostitute or even an escort, I just don’t have the personality for it. I mean I love men and I worship the penii, but damn I can only have one man at a time.

    • sugar baby monkey says:

      It’s a bit of practice @SouthernSB. Many men here offer me bananas and as i love everyone, i can’t tell them “No”.

    • gentleman soul says:

      It’s all about the do-re-me Southern. If you are an escort or a sex addict then the more penii the better

      • hototrot1 says:

        I had two and I finally had to cut it down to one. There will always be a favorite. Ha!

      • SD On Chat says:

        Which one did you keep Hot?
        Daddy good and reliable? Or Mr. Mysterious?

      • hototrot1 says:


        I kept…(drumroll)…Mr. Mysterious. Mr. Reliable was reliable in many ways, but not always a good thing. It was getting to the point that our relationship was becoming transactional and that’s not how it started. We were both starting to game each other and I was sick of the game altogether. What did I expect from a 70+ year old millionaire who’s never been married???? Red Flag!! He has a cruel streak that has only become more pronounced as I’ve come to know someone else. I’m not saying the grass is greener with my new guy, but it does feel good right now. Just going with my instincts. I could be wrong or right. Who knows?

  130. Petite Little Lady says:

    I’ve been reading this blog for a while now. I’ve only posted once before (I’m such a lurker), but I was hoping to pick your brains for advice.

    I thought I had crafted my profile fairly well towards the type of SD I want and also put a bit of my personality in it. However, I seem to get mostly responses from those who are clearly looking for a pro (which is not me… at all). Is there something I inadvertently am doing/wrote in my profile which would give someone this impression?

    I recently changed my expectation to “moderate” as I saw a lot of you talk about “negotiable” as a kind of code for pro.
    I am sure this will spark some sort of debate since I’m pretty, but not model “10” material (I’d have to be a heck of a lot taller for that). The amount was set based on my actual monthly expenses.

    • Anonymous says:

      Your profile looks good. If you were in my area, I would have messaged you. After a few emails, I would have asked if you were negotiable on the moderate amount because I am looking to see someone 2-3 times a month. I think the site has become mainly p4p, and despite what others purport, I don’t think you can crafting your profile will deter the escort-experience seekers.

    • OnlineNewbieSD says:

      @patite – if you recently changed from “Negotiable” to “Moderate” wait a week or two and see how the communications change for you…I didn’t see anything in your text that would announce “pro” to me (and there are a LOT in my search area!

      you could use a few less “I” statements and more of the picture painting, but it’s actually not bad writing…some might find the description of “most girls” a bit negative and drawing attention away from YOU, but it actually fits with the rest of your description.

      You’re kind of my “type” and I would certainly reach out to you if you were local (I don’t do long distance arrangements)…

      • Petite Little Lady says:

        Haha okay cool- that’s good to know.

        Oh no, it’s creative writing all over again! I’m great at exposition… not so great at “creating the world”… Any advice or links to profiles that do it right so I can emulate?

        Do you think I should just cut the first part and lead with “I’m just your average girl…”?

      • OnlineNewbieSD says:

        Just try not to be toward the “I like…I like…I love…I want…I…I…I…” and remember you can say things like “a perfect evening would include something light to eat at an open-air restaurant, an art opening and then letting the evening end with the two of us cuddled in front of a fire” notice – not a single “I” in that sentence…if you have one or two scenarios that paint that picture like that, the SD will begin to see you like that…

        I like to say your “About You” should make the SD picture you in a couple of scenarios, because he also enjoys them of fantasizes about them…your “Looking For” should be a mirror so he can see HIMSELF in what you want…again, paint that reflection so he can see himself…then…you’ll find the PERFECT SD for YOU!

      • OnlineNewbieSD says:

        If you want to be “average” instead of saying “I’m just your average girl” you could always say something more witty (since you are quite verbous in your profile) “If you were to look up “average” in the dictionary, you would find a picture of me, smiling from ear-to-ear”


        If you want to be “average” you’re probably going to be disappointed with the results from this site…

        You’re NOT average…you’re quite a distance ABOVE average in some categories and BELOW average in others (like height 😉 )

        you’re better off to go with the “individual” angle…

        play your height, like you do with the shoulder height content…”you should enjoy being able to put your arm around a woman and not strain to reach up” or “when you put your arm around me, just try not to lean too much, my stature doesn’t indicate much body building”

        See how that is different, and doesn’t include “I”?

      • Petite Little Lady says:

        Thanks Online! I will certainly keep that in mind as I revamp my profile 🙂

    • Josh says:

      Your profile is problematic. See if you can convince @Jay to advise or if you may read @sexy’s Tumblr blog for ideas.

      Keep in mind that sarcasm does not equate intelligence AND 10 times out of 10 a girl with pouty mouth (which requires mouth to be closed) will win over a girl with smartass tongue.

      • Petite Little Lady says:

        Could you clarify what’s problematic beyond the sarcasm note?
        I know sarcasm isn’t everyone’s cup of tea. I think I meant more on the facetious edge anyway. I will rephrase!
        Thanks Josh 🙂

      • zito says:

        however, ill take the smat ass tongue and witty banter everyday of the week, we may not all love sarcasm but I DO, in fact it is a must

      • Petite Little Lady says:

        Also could you post the link to the Tumblr blog you mentioned?

    • FunDude says:

      Your profile has good potential.

      I think most of the SDs are becoming p4p on here (especially at first) due to concerns of being robbed by a potential SB.

      You appear thin and in your 20s, which is a good foundation. Your profile doesn’t appear “bitchy”.

      The only concern I would have is the “sarcasm” statement. That is often a euphemism for “bitchy”.

      • Petite Little Lady says:

        Oooh! That’s not what I meant at all! As I mentioned a bit earlier (to Josh)- I’m definitely on the facetious edge of sarcasm; my sarcastic comments are in good humor– not mean. But I will definitely keep that in mind and rephrase 🙂

    • gentleman soul says:

      ” I seem to get mostly responses from those who are clearly looking for a pro (which is not me… at all).”
      Can you be more specific about that generalization Petite ? Many Sugars mistake an SD’s desire for a regular sex partner with John-like activity. The basic premise of a Sugar site like SA, as most of us interpret it, is that an SD seeks an SB for an intimate relationship including many other activities as well as sex . And an SB seeks Money from an SD in addition to other things.

      A John seeks an escort for sex -period ,nothing else. And an escort runs a chain of Johns for money -period. If guys writing you are saying “I want to have sex with you for $X “,then it’s fair to call him a John. If he says “I would love to see you regularly for $X/visit -he is an SD . Pay per visit, or on a shorter cycle ,is not by itself Prostitution.

      • Petite Little Lady says:

        Hi Gentleman;
        I don’t believe I’m mistaking the intent. They seem pretty unambiguous about being primarily interested in sex; Here are a couple of the messages I’ve gotten:
        “i can give you $750/per if u host. if we get a hotel, ill give you 600”
        “What are you doing tonight? I’m in town for the night and want to see more of you ;). There’s $500 in it if you make it over. $750 for both of you if you bring a friend…”

        I know it’s not intended to be, but the pay per visit thing feels skeezy to me regardless. . I think maybe I need to elaborate on my profile that I’m not looking to just jump into bed on the first meeting (and I don’t expect to be compensated just for meeting someone).

        This isn’t my first rodeo in the sugar world; just my first venture into the online portion of it. Maybe I was spoiled by my first sugar relationship (lasted a couple years, ended a few months ago).. and maybe I have a skewed perception on what a sugar relationship should be.

      • OnlineNewbieSD says:

        @petite – as @gentleman has said, the $750 per if you host guy might be looking for someone on a trial basis, or has been taken advantage of in the past by “fronting” allowance.

        You and I both had GREAT Sugar outside the internet…and both of us have been disappointed about the experiences on SA…I have had one arrangement that was very nice on SA, I’ve had another that lasted a couple of months and a few that lasted one or two visits…I think you just need to write your profile for the SD you HAD (since it was a good experience) and ignore the bad messages you receive from the shallow end of the Sugar Bowl. It will take you a bit longer to find YOUR SD, but I’m sure he’s out there (because your language sounds a LOT like what I’d be looking for locally)…

        I’ve yet to find a true replacement for what I had IRL, but I just don’t have the time to devote to the IRL angle…I’m working on it in conjunction with SA…just haven’t been able to devote enough time to it. You might be better off augmenting your SA time with some freestyling yourself!

      • Petite Little Lady says:

        Maybe I just have the perception that the first meeting should be in a public place and not anyone’s hotel or home. First meeting, in my opinion, should be about chemistry (not physical intimacy). This is also a matter of safety for me, as a small woman.

        Bummer we’re both so disappointed with the selection available. Hopefully we both find someone we’re interested in very soon :).

      • zito says:

        @petite…you are absolutely correct on the first meeting, and anyone who wants a different type meeting, you probably do not want to meet

      • OnlineNewbieSD says:

        @petite – I agree with you about the first meet in public someplace where you (and the SD) can feel safe…even if it’s at a restaurant in the hotel where he hopes things will progress. I guess I was just giving the benefit of the doubt to the guy who at least has his expectations set for a per visit ongoing arrangement?

      • Jaybird923 says:

        @Petite you were right that guy is a John there is difference between and SD that does P4P and someone who’s in town for one night who wants you to meet him in a hotel room and for you to bring a friend for extra.

  131. Josh says:

    1. My advice to @Cat was not generic.

    2. In @Cat, I did not find bad attitude toward men. THAT, in my opinion, is the most important factor that keeps women sugarless. They need to be smoking hot and/or great actresses to extract money from men while maintaining bad attitude toward men.

    3. She is what she is and knows that because of her weight, nose ring (and possibly tattoos), her SD pool is limited.

    4. She made it clear to @rem that she has not interest in weight loss in near future. So factor that in, and move on.

    5. She’s a good writer.

    6. She looks intriguing, at least to me. I like plump girls. She’s a bit big for me but I am not going into arrangement with her.

    7. She needs to reduce her allowance expectations to Practical or Negotiable.

    8. Again the advice to her is NOT generic, one size fits all advice.

    • Please&ThankYou :) says:

      @Josh I believe in your response to my profile you said I have a “shitty” view towards men… Would you please explain to me what brought you to that conclusion?

    • Josh says:

      I don’t recall the context, don’t feel like scrolling down, and don’t want to spend more time on it. I don’t owe any response to anyone. I just do it at the spur of the moment as time and iinterest permits. Ignore my posts and move on.

      • Please&ThankYou :) says:

        Ah, I see…perhaps you stubbed your toe before your previous post to me, and maybe now you’re in bumper to windshield traffic and your a/c just went out. You don’t owe me anything that’s true, never claimed you did. I hope your day get’s better “shitty” dispositions aren’t the best accessories to don. Thanks again, Adios.

      • Please&ThankYou :) says:

        Ah, I see…perhaps you stubbed your toe before your previous post to me, and maybe now you’re in bumper to windshield traffic and your a/c just went out. You don’t owe me anything that’s true, never claimed you did. I hope your day get’s better, “shitty” dispositions aren’t the best accessories to don. Thanks again, Adios.

    • Josh says:

      Thanks for answering your own question about bad aattitude, missy. 😉 I ain’t Guru for nothing, Sweetheart. 😉

  132. Anonymous says:

    I think I would have a lot less problem with @CatOB if she had a “Negotiable” in her profile. Once someone wants “Moderate”, they just “monetized” themselves. When you labeled yourself with a striker, you have less room to hide behind the politically correct “everyone is beautiful” logo. And if someone wants to believe that it is just her cloths, hair, dress, some magic words in the profile, maybe they just do not want an honest opinion.
    I guess, if a man were to put in his profile a $400/month allowance and kept insisting that he feels that is one “extremely beautiful allowance’ and that the only reason he does not have any takers is because he looks nerdy in his glasses… we would call that man delusional, right?
    All I am saying.

    • FunDude says:


      She just isn’t attractive enough to be playing in that space.

      Moderate is basically reserved for highly attractive women who have style and grace.

      • OnlineNewbieSD says:

        Let me first clarify my comments, I am reading down the scroll, so I’ve read @Josh and now the major comment and @FunDude’s response…I don’t know the history, I’m just going to react to the designation about the Moderate and higher expectation levels…

        @FunDude – No, I completely disagree with you…Moderate is NOT just for the highly attractive women who have style and grace…those are certainly parts of that category (and above as well)…but…there are other factors that go into someone being in Moderate and above, including:

        1. fetish (and BBW is a fetish)
        2. kink (getting toward BDSM, D/s, etc.)
        3. woman’s prerogative (she can ask for whatever she wants)

        Now…every SB profile needs to understand that if she hasn’t written her profile to attract an SD from a matching category it could take her MUCH longer to reach the audience she would connect with, and she’ll have to weed through a TON of bullshit from SD profiles attacking her for overreaching herself.

        However, a well crafted profile will self-eliminate the posers, pricks and douchebags and attract the right audience to meet her expectations.

      • FunDude says:

        Yes, there are some “fetish” men out there. And yes she can “ask for anything she wants”.

        I can ask for 200K for my 1995 Toyota Corolla as well.

        The problem is supply/demand.

        The number of BBWs FAR exceeds the demand for their services.

        Ergo, the price of “moderate” is too high for the vast majority, who will be waiting for a VERY LONG TIME before getting anything close to that.

        It would probably be smarter to lower the price significantly so that they could get the few takers that would be willing to pay.

        Or just keep it high and run with it lol. Doesn’t matter to me either way.

      • OnlineNewbieSD says:

        @FunDude – that’s why I continue to say things like, “it can take longer to fine YOUR SD” rather than “you’re not worth that much”…if her expectation is that she needs 3-5k, there’s no harm in asking for it with that category…she could also talk about negotiating in her profile text, which is where I would encourage her to talk about negotiations, rather than the “Negotiable” category…and…I’d rather have someone listing at Moderate, telling WHY she NEEDS the support than her listing at Practical and juggling multiple SD…

    • cryptic anomaly says:

      The problem is Sugar/SA has been sold to these women as,

      1. Money for nothing – just sign up & a SD will be at your disposal.
      2. A game that anyone can play.
      3. All your money problems will be solved!
      4. All these desperate losers (who are also successful & rich go figure!)will beat a path to you door all so they can give you the money, take you shopping and buy you expensive dinners all while never expecting or wanting anything in return, including the basic element of you being interesting or charming.

      Because you indeed are a precious little Princess and deserve everything someone else’s money and hard work can buy.

      • FunDude says:

        Which is leading to anger on both sides.

        SD justifiably won’t pay anything close to these ridiculous allowance numbers these women are demanding.

        SB get angry because they think their “worth” is much higher than reality and are under the illusion that the “average” is getting 3000/month for just hanging out with some guy once in awhile.

        Of course, every SB thinks she is ABOVE average despite being significantly overweight, older, etc.

        They still market the place with young, thin, model looking women to get the SDs to sign up. This makes the problem even worse when they pickings for SBs is much lower than expected.

        Remember, this is supposed to be a significant UPGRADE for the SD. That is why he is PAYING.

        Many of these “sugar babies” would be rejected for a regular date, forget about paying.

        I guess the SA people think inflating the SB numbers with women who really don’t fit the mold helps make their ratios look better at 8:1.

        Personally, quality is far better than quantity. If the ratio was 1:1, but both SB and SDs were top quality with realistic expectations based upon attributes, the site would be ALOT better.

      • cryptic anomaly says:

        “Many of these “sugar babies” would be rejected for a regular date, forget about paying.”

        I do laugh when I see the women who say stuff like “Tried normal dating sites and it didn’t work for me”, even saw one woman who wanted a man who wouldn’t be ashamed to be seen with her in public, she wasn’t attractive.

        Yet they come here and expect to be paid and paid well for dates! It just astounds me and yes it leads to everyone being pissed off.

        And yes we are paying because we want something special, something that might be too difficult to get otherwise and we also want simplicity and for it to be perfect in every aspect.

  133. Josh says:


    Practical = $1,000 – $3,000, and yes most women get that money in installments, and most likely from more than one SD in a given month.

    • FunDude says:


      If the “arrangement” is for less than 3 months, it is basically p4p, especially in installments.

      Even if she gets “multiple” SDs for short periods of time, that is essentially p4p with multiple sugar daddies.

      Why are you kissing Cats ass? Honesty is far better than dishonesty.

      Telling her that everything in her profile is “wonderful” is just a joke. She wouldn’t be asking about her profile if she was getting many offers.

    • FunDude says:

      Also, you say “most” women get that type of money.

      How many women on this website get a “practical” allowance on a consistent basis out of the total population?

      That is the true question.

  134. Josh says:

    @CatOnBikes writes very well too.

  135. Anonymous says:

    Don’t forget some SBs get multiple allowances from more than one SD.

  136. FunDude says:

    I think the ratios of sugar babies to sugar daddies is IRRELEVANT.

    In economics terms, the oversupply of purported SBs is due to inflated price point expectations.

    Ergo, coming to an “equilibrium” point of a 1:1 SD:SB using real data to determine price ranges of SBs in different categories would greatly increase the experience for this website.

    Statements such as “there is someone for everyone” gives the illusion that supply/demand market forces don’t generally apply. This is HIGHLY inaccurate.

    This is why there is an abundance of SBs crying about there being “no real sugar daddies” around while SDs become jaded because of “entitled” SBs.

    Giving bell shaped curves for allowances/p4p determinations would give a much better estimate for a prospective SB in terms of her expected allowances.

    If she is far over the norm, this could be used to show the delusional expectations of the SB. It would also allow for faster understanding on the part of both the SB/SD.

    Over inflating allowance numbers doesn’t help the website.

    Statements such as the “average allowance is 3000/month” really doesn’t mean much. Distortions from this can arrive from:

    1) Most women don’t receive allowances, therefore the “allowance” numbers represent only a small segment of the higher level women.

    2) Allowance periods of less than 3 months with long dry spells. An “allowance” of 2000/month for 4 visits that ONLY lasts 1 month is really p4p at 500/visit.

    3) The vast majority of SBs obtain p4p

    I suspect the above 3 explanations cover most of the falsehood of the “allowance” numbers being purported by SA.

    • Anon says:

      Love the logician… Here is an additional thought. My theory is that the really good-looking women and the “real” SD who are willing to pay a lot don’t stay on the site very long, and not long enough to start commenting on this blog. They get on the site, find someone within a few weeks, and then they’re off.

      In other words, people with realistic expectations (an SB who looks like Miranda Kerr wants $5K a month, or an SD who wants an SB who looks like Miranda Kerr and is willing to pay $10K a month) come and go. While people who have unrealistic expectations (an SB who looks like Roseanne wants $3K a month, and SD wants an SB who looks like Miranda Kerr for $1K a month) stay and accumulate.

  137. FunDude says:

    The disqus format is probably better. You can actually see when someone responds to your thread on that format.

    This format causes you to miss replies regularly.

  138. EducatedbyBri says:

    So I’ve gotten a chance to update my profile and wanted some feedback on the changes I’ve made, can you all please check out my profile and advise!!! Thank you in advance

  139. Josh says:

    ‘Tis way past new article time.

  140. Josh says:

    @flyR: “Thought for the evening from a friend

    You can learn a lot about a woman’s emotional state and intentions by looking carefully at her hands. If she is holding a large caliber pistol she is probably pissed and nothing good is about to happen.”

    Genius, the same can be said about a monkey.


  141. Josh says:

    “I am 420 friendly, but not 24/7!”

    That’s brilliant!!!

  142. Josh says:

    There’s something intriguing about you. You need to express it through words and images.

  143. Josh says:

    You need a bicycle shot or two.

  144. Josh says:

    Don’t be scared of being an actress. I’d rather be with an an actress than a bore.

    • Anonymous says:

      Ah, of course there is always a bit of fantasy to the Sb/Sd relationship. Showcasing your best and brightest facets at all times, brilliant wit, perfect styling, the whole shebang. I just mean I wouldn’t play the delicate, submissive, childlike type. More the assertive, sensual, comfortable in her own skin. It fits my personality much much better.

  145. Josh says:

    Do drop allowance to practical. That’s where most allowances are.

    • FunDude says:

      How can you ascertain that the “average” allowance is “practical”? There is no hard data proving this assertion.

      Furthermore, the stats can be falsified by:

      1) Most sugar babies only get p4p and NOT allowances. Therefore, allowances by necessity represent only a small segment of the overall population.

      2) “Allowances” last only a few months, which is really a glorified p4p situation that is being called an “allowance”. If you have an “allowance” of 2000 for one month for 4 visits, that really is just 500/visit p4p.

      How many women are actually getting >3 months of “allowance” at practical levels out of the TOTAL population?

  146. CatOnBikes says:

    Anyone have a spare moment to take a look at my profile? I get a lot of views, but barely any responses (Obviously I can’t be the right fit for everyone, but I’d like to make sure I’m not making SD’s leery of messaging me)

    • rembodler says:

      I suggest to change the body type to “full/overweight” and allowance to “negotiable”.
      This might not increase responses and even get you less views. However, asking for Moderate allowance puts you in a very competitive group. If you think that other women in your area are just “dumb blondes”, you are mistaken.
      Long term I would recommend diet and exercise. I apologize if this sounds harsh. If you want to be mollycoddled, ask your mum.

      • CatOnBikes says:

        The last insult part was a little unnecessary. I am a competitive cyclist so I’m ok with my body, merely working on my speed 🙂 Some people like it, some don’t. I personally feel extremely beautiful, and confidence is key now-a-days. We can’t be everything for everyone, right? Anyways, thank you for taking the time to read it!

      • rembodler says:

        I congratulate you on “feeling extremely beautiful”, maybe you should make an arrangement with yourself then.
        As for confidence…a confident woman confidently jumping out of the window holding her umbrella. Confidently thinking she will land safely few floors down.
        Please do not get me wrong. There is someone out there for everyone. I only talk about what an average man finds attractive. If ever in doubt, stroll to your neighborhood store and look at magazine covers. Yes, it does not look like an actual average woman shopping in that same store. If you think this is unfair, you are probably right.

      • CatOnBikes says:

        Thanks for your opinion, thankfully for me you’re not the only person around. If I meet someone, and we get along famously, chemistry all that stuff, who cares? Some people like blondes, some like brunettes, some like a little handful of titty, some like when the cups runneth over! My point is, classier clothing is a perfect criticism to give. Being put off that I find myself attractive/desirable? Little bit silly, of course not everyone’s into thicker girls! I’m no dummy 🙂

      • Fun Ship says:

        I also find it funny when women think that we care about their “confidence”. We don’t . we care about your ass, legs, tits, and face. pretty simple.

    • cryptic anomaly says:

      @Cat-Some of those photos aren’t very flattering for you. Also don’t mention you are willing to travel and then say the SD will have to cover costs, it just sounds kind of cheap. Just mention you are open to travel and leave it to be worked out if required via messaging. Don’t mention plane and train for further out the SD will know if he is interested. And like Rem says drop your expectation.

      • CatOnBikes says:

        Which photos? I tried to use ones that were honest looking

      • cryptic anomaly says:

        @Cat-Orange dress, cycling gear, cardigan. A full body shot is good and they are honest but they are not flattering, something with you in high heels would be good too.

    • Josh says:

      Your photos and profile is perfect. Those who don’t see the beauty are idiots. @rem is clueless. Be patient and responses will come.

      • CatOnBikes says:

        That’s very sweet, thank you. I want to portray myself as honestly as possible, so when I catch someone’s eye they don’t feel like they’re getting an actress! There’s so many flavors of sugar babies out there; there’s gotta be someone whose looking for a thick, powerful, intelligent woman. Hopefully they find me!

      • rembodler says:

        Either this is a thinly veiled sarcasm or you drunk too much wine with your dinner or we need a new Guru.
        FunDude, where are you…

      • Josh says:

        @rem, why would you say that?

      • Josh says:

        C’mon…don’t call @FunDude…he will drive @CatOnBikes away…

      • CatOnBikes says:

        Doubtful, if I had a dollar for every time someone tried to hurt my feelings through the internet I wouldn’t be on this site! It’s like if someone is like
        “Wow, I really love peach pie!” and another person shows up and just can’t handle it. “No, cherry pie is the only tasty pie! You’re wrong!” Buddy, all pie is good pie, just to different people! 😉

      • FunDude says:


        Stop the weak mangina act man. She has a lot of negatives that are hurting her game.

        Biggest problems include:

        1) Nose ring
        2) Clothing doesn’t look classy
        3) Needs to lose weight
        4) Control the entitlement attitude or expectations that “everyone will find her beautiful”.

        Obtain an actual allowance for any appreciable period of time is basically having a full time job.

        If you want a “moderate” allowance of 5,000/month that equals 60K AFTER TAX! That is over 100K per year in gross income!

        To play even close to that level, you need to WAY UP your game.

      • CatOnBikes says:

        Wow, you guys are all so upset that I think I’m pretty. That’s very interesting. If someone thinks i’m interesting and wants to spend time with my fantastically interesting self (and yes I do have a high self-esteem, not necessarily a bad thing) then more power to them. Until then I’ll continue riding, weight training, and working towards my massage therapist’s education. I have no desire for my life to be dependent completely on another person. I think if you’re getting into this kind of situation with a low self-esteem, or desperate need for money, you’ll end up being taken advantage of. Male or female. At the end of the day it’s all about who you personally find attractive and interesting.

      • CatOnBikes says:

        Watch me use the word “interesting” way too many times!

      • FunDude says:

        Ok, catonbikes, keep “confident”.

        Good luck with that.

      • gentleman soul says:

        So Cat, you asked for advice so you got it . Don’t be defensive about it . Each of us comes from our own prejudices and it happens that many guys prefer thin ,average ,or athletic girls. That does not mean that you are not desireable to guys into thicker girls . I appreciate your honesty in presenting yourself as you are .

    • OnlineNewbieSD says:

      @Cat – There is a struggle on blog recently…those who think SBs are just model-esque and those that feel there is a SB for every SD.

      I’m a believer that a well-written profile will attract the SD you desire…just like the well-written SD profile will attract the SB he desires.

      When you are writing your profile for a blanket of ANY SD, it will receive criticism from many…you’re a wonderful person to let that have no impact on you.

      Here are my tips for a profile, written directly toward your text…

      1. Pictures – I actually like the dress shot, because it was taken by someone else (or at least a timer)…the mirror selfies should go…and I agree with @Josh you should have someone take a shot of you ON your bike, use that either with or instead of your mirror selfie in the bike suit. Your pics should go with your writing…

      2. “About You” – I’m not a big fan of all the “I” in your writing…men are visual…write scenes he can picture himself in with you instead of listing things…remember, you’re looking for ONE SD not EVERY SD.

      3. “Looking For” – You mention NOTHING about the characteristics or traits for your IDEAL SD, it’s more about YOU…that will turn SDs off (or attract the wrong kind of attention). Do you like them tall, short, fat, fit, bald, ponytails…about the only part I like is that you talk about mentorship in the arts…

      4. Expectation Level – DO NOT put your level at “Negotiable”! In MY experience as a SD, over 80% of Negotiable have been escort-ish, and nearly HALF of SB profiles are in that category! Choose your category, address your “need” in your profile text (you can always talk about going to school and because of the intensity you cannot keep your vanilla job)…the key is, waiting and focusing on YOUR SD, rather than the litany of communication you MIGHT get trying to market to the masses!

      There’s one thing @FunDude has said that makes COMPLETE sense…the ratios don’t mean a thing…it’s all about connecting with the ONE SD that’s right for YOU and ignoring the noise from all the other posers, pricks and douchebags (see a post of mine a while back 😉 )

      Good luck to you!

      • gentleman soul says:

        I commented before on this topic but I will reiterate . We all come to this space with different experiences. I totally prefer an SB who is negotiable vs a set goal . I have not had the same experiences attracting escorts from that category . A big number is actually a turnoff for me. And I consider Moderate + as a big number. Having said that ,financial goals should be discussed privately before meeting .

      • OnlineNewbieSD says:

        @gentleman – consider also the number of interactions I’ve had with profiles listing “Negotiable” but within a few messages announce they want 3-5k a month…it’s not negotiable if you have a set figure in your head. If you consider Moderate too high for your Sugar, would you want a woman “gunning” for Moderate to put “Negotiable” and either juggle you with how many other guys to meet her Moderate desires, or would you rather she be upfront about the desire and let you reach out and say, “listen, I’m in the Practical range for right now…would you be open to negotiating on your need?” or have her find your profile and say something like, “listen, I know I’m listed at Moderate and you’re at Practical, but I’m willing to meet you once to see if there is any connection so we can discuss some common ground. Are you game?”

        That’s where the negotiation should happen, IMHO, not as a category…

    • sugar baby monkey says:

      Go ahead @catonbikes, with that security! We aren’t clones in this life so every person don’t have to be the same thing! You will find your SD surely!

  147. Josh says:

    Re: Getting rinsed by a good actress…

    I don’t mind getting rinsed by a good actress. A good actress earns her keeps.

    I have a problem with getting rinsed by an idiot.

  148. Josh says:

    I am wondering when they will remove the indent shit from this blog.


    What do you mean by “I have counseled women on not going on a date unless there was 100$ in it for her”?

    • rembodler says:

      Yes, I was wondering about that too.
      I never went on a date with the woman who asked beforehand if she is going to be paid for showing up. If, after all this texting and messaging, she still isn’t interested enough to go on a date and need a $ incentive to be in a nice restaurant…there will be someone else to take her spot.

  149. Josh says:


    From being a useful part of the society, as a physician, you are going to the dark side with shit like “an equilibrium point can be established for each supply/demand curve with a variance using standard deviations.”


  150. Josh says:


    As promised, here is my edit of your profile. Use what you like, skip what you don’t. Best of success.

    About Me

    “I am working in Milan for now, but in a few weeks I return back home to London, England.”

    I am a confident, honest, easy going woman who will ensure that you get whatever it is that you desire. Whether that is a quiet evening with nice wine and easy flowing conversation; a wild night out; wandering around for long walks and soaking up the scenery; or even a travel companion to see the world with.

    Or perhaps you want to have a pyjama day to lounge around watching cheesy romantic comedies from the 90s, or snuggle on a sofa reading our favourite books. (I shan’t mention mine….far too cliche!) I’m the kind of person who is equally comfortable in all of these situations. Rest assured, I promise fun, sensuality and the ‘escape bubble’ you may be looking for.

    I’m currently working towards my career goal which is to become a foster mum. “Foster mum?” you may ask. I acknowledge that this is a strange career choice…but I know what it is like to have a tough start in life and I would love to help as many children as I can to get a head start in life. It’s a long road ahead, but I’m determined to reach my goal.

    I love meeting new people, planning my future trips and looking forward to the bright future I have mapped out for myself. I adore travelling and diving in head first into new cultures and making acquaintance with locals. I have been travelling and living in different countries since I was 18 and can honestly say that it is a wonderful experience.

    I love to read a lot, and I also collect antique classical literature. I have a large wooden trunk, full to the brim with old dusty books, in the attic of my family home. I love the idea of preserving something from a time where books were seldom acquired by the ‘everyday’ people. I can proudly say that I am a bookworm.

    What I’m looking for

    I’m looking for a loving and pampering from a mature gentleman who also desires some company and maybe something more intimate. Someone who is willing and able to help me achieve my goals and dreams, which as you have read above, don’t include shiny things, but instead require stability, fun, adventure and a help towards my career.

    I am not looking for a specific type of man…just someone who I am comfortable with…someone who I can laugh with, but also enjoy the quiet moments with.

    Anything else? Just ask me, Not only I am a bookworm, but also I’m a wonderfully open book.

  151. SouthernSB says:

    Well, decided to go all out on my profile and decided to change my body type from “a few extra pounds” to “full/overweight.” I kept my allowance at “negotiable” since I am neither delusional, entitled or twenty. I hate the fact that I’m so short though, any extra weight shows up everywhere.

    • zito says:

      lets have the link to your profile….I love short women

    • Josh says:

      Have you been full/overweight all this time of just put on weight in the past year?

      • SouthernSB says:

        Josh, I haven’t been full/overweight all this time. I went from having to lose a few extra pounds to full/overweight in the past year. I lost my gym membership and hibernated over the winter. So whoops there goes a twenty pound weight gain, and on a short girl it really shows up!!

  152. cryptic anomaly says:

    @Curious George-It is very easy to not be screwed over on this site, you just need to remember that you are the client here and that women are pursuing you. You have the power. Many women on this site “out” themselves during the message process anyway, some will quote you rates and expectations via their first message, if you do not like what they are wanting you can move on.

    Likewise, NEVER pay a SB just to meet you so you can work out if there is any chemistry between you. Meet for a coffee/drinks etc and just chat, if she doesn’t like that idea then again move on, she will most likely take the money from the first meet and never see you again anyway. So better to just avoid it altogether.

    They have to prove to you that they are worth it, not the other way around. Make sure they are genuine, don’t feel you have to jump through hoops to make them happy.

  153. FunDude says:


    My discussion about supply/demand issues are very accurate and rational. SB whining about their “value” is NOT equivalent to my logical approach to this issue.

    Ergo, there is no analogy for this situation.

    • Jaybird923 says:

      Welcome back Fundude. How was London?

      • FunDude says:

        London wasn’t that good lol The roads are too small with traffic delays that were horrendous.

        Have you been there?

      • Jaybird923 says:

        Yes I have. London is ok but I never spend more than two nights there. And I always stay near Hyde Park. That’s my favorite spot in the city. Plus that area is a lot quieter. I like to be outside the city. Windsor is a favorite of mines. Next time I go I want to make it further up north. Maybe Cornwall …

      • FunDude says:

        Cool stuff.

        I like Chicago better. Maybe I’m ethnocentric lol

    • Anonymous says:

      Wow, you look yummy

  154. cryptic anomaly says:

    @Honeypot-You don’t need professional pics in fact that just makes a profile look less personal. You just need clear photos not blurred ones.

    These lines would make me hit the next button – “I’m far more amazing than you could ever imagine. ***Fair warning***Your attraction to me might be too much for you to handle if you’re lucky enough to make my acquaintance.I’m the one you’re looking for, so don’t deny your curiosity…explore it. ~XoXo BB”

    That to me comes across as ego which in turn comes across as Diva/High Maintenance. Also you mention being a sweetheart but those lines I quoted above go against that persona.

    • HoneyPot says:

      @Cryptic- Thanks for the advice I really hadn’t even read my profile again since uploading it haha. With time comes wisdom and growth. I actually changed quite a bit including my Name so please do tell me if it’s OK now. (Also it’s not a book but please let me know if it’s too lengthy) Thanks again!

      • cryptic anomaly says:

        Hi again, Wisdom is my chocolate? I would re-word that to seeking wisdom or something similar. You then go on to say that you whisper wisdom, so do you seek it or offer it? Which one?

        You want to avoid contradictions that will put people off. I think overall though it is a pretty good profile.

  155. Josh says:


    Very nice makeover. You might want to change your location to London as you will be back there soon and that’s where you may get better traction.

    You have a good heart. I would have definitely pursued you if you were in my neck of the woods. 😉

  156. HoneyPot says:

    Howdy Sweethearts,
    Would someone be so kind as to review my profile and give me some feedback about it? I’ve been on this site over a year and haven’t gotten many messages nor replies when I initiate contact.

    • Elaine says:

      @Honey pot

      I think your pics are not really helping you.
      It looks like there is 20 kg difference inbetween them.
      The one in the brown dress could fit your “atlethic” description, the red dress looks like “some extra pounds”.

      SD’s don’t really like these kind of surprises.

      Make some nice (actual) pics, no selfies, and be a little more creative if you want to hide your identity. These fuchsia doodles are not really doing it for you….

      A good picture can hide your identity but at the same time raise so much curiosity that you will get messages and will have the possibility to show your private pics to who you decide.


      • HoneyPot says:

        So basically I should get professional photos done and change my profile weight to a few extra pounds? lol
        What about the about me portion etc.?

      • Elaine says:


        No, you don’t need to get professional photo’s, just use your creativity and invest a little time in it.

        Mention your actual profile weight, and get rid of photo’s that raise doubts about it..

        You wanted to know why you don’t get reactions?
        Well, mainly because of your pics!
        SD’s don’t even bother reading your profile when your pics don’t attract their attention.

      • HoneyPot says:

        Thanks Elaine. I really do appreciate your help. I hope I didn’t send a tone of being offended as that was not my intention.

    • Josh says:


      The reason you have not received mich traction on the site is because your photos are full of crap, your profile is full of shit and your attitude toward men is questionable.

      Being wise ass and sarcastic does not equate to having grey matter between your ears.

      • Please&ThankYou :) says:

        Thanks for your response Josh. Your last statement is quite true.
        Happy Thursday 😉

      • Anonymous says:

        golly next someone will say that the intelligent and smart realise the value of time and not always wasting it. cause ya know internet blogging all your time away is surely not wasted time 😉

  157. Maggie says:

    Hi lovely people. Someone on here yesterday gave me a little advise on my photos, was wondering if you could check them now that they are up and all approved? Thank you 🙂

    • HoneyPot says:

      You are absolutely stunning Maggie

    • Elaine says:


      Nice profile!

      If I were you I would only get rid of that yellow’ish picture.
      The others are more spontaneous (and clearer)

      Wish you lot’s of succes. 🙂

    • zito says:

      Theyre good pics, although the one with you in the blue mirror reminds me of E.T…..lol…Great pics, you are beautiful

    • zito says:

      After reading Maggies profile, she is my new favorite, you have a wonderful profile, and I concur with Josh, if you were in mt area, id love to sit and talk with you, I am betting it would be riveting

    • JamminJ2015 says:

      After seeing your profile yesterday and now today, I must concur. Your pics are much better and you are a cutie! I wish you luck in finding a connection.

  158. FlyBoy says:

    Did someone forget to take his medications?

    Cheers 🙂

    • Salty SD says:

      Oh thank you:

      – And also remind me to take my medication as directed by doctor

    • Salty SD says:

      It’s exactly that kind of attentiveness that will win you an extra $5 on your monthly allowance, currently set at $1000 per monthly paid pro-rate by the hour

      • NC Gent says:

        @Salty — I love your thinking! I am going to tell my SB that she will get $1.50 per hour that we are a sugar couple. No more getting cheated when she decides to end it!

      • FlyBoy says:

        I don’t know about paying by the hour; that will leave me open to being rinsed for at least that hour.

        5 cents every 2 minutes is a better scheme in my opinion instead of $1.50 per hour (didn’t do 2.5 cents per minute because 0.5 cent does not exist).

        Some would say, hey FlyBoy, that’s a nickle at risk. Yeah I know, I know. It is what it is!!!! 🙁

        Why can’t this sugar business be easier?!!

        Cheers 🙂

  159. Salty SD says:

    to include or not to include in profile:

    Job Description and responsibilities:

    – Daily 6 am pre shower blow Job to prepare me for a long day of work
    – Breakfast to be ready after shower
    – Cleaning the house in preparation for my arrival
    – Pick up Dry Cleaning and do laundry
    – Take messages (phone calls etc…) and organize my social calendar
    – Other duties as required.

    Application Process:

    1) Please submit your unedited photos here and application:

    2) Looking to trial run any prospective SD with a series of sexual related tasks which will be scored 1 to 10 in each category. This will by a Myber Briggs personality profile an IQ test and a group exercise.”

    3) successful candidates will be put to the final round. Due to the high volume of applications we I cannot provide any feedback and if you do not hear from me within 4 -6 weeks it means that you were not successful.

    • gentleman soul says:

      Sounds like a wife Salty ,minus the sexual exercises. “studies” have been done monetizing the “worth” of a stay at home wife at $70K/year .If I pass on the cooking,secretarial, and cleaning chores which can be estimated at $55K ,an SB should be “worth” $20K /year ,which puts us right at the $1-3K /month range. The hooker in this calculation (pun intended) is that a wife is present daily . So for $20K /year an SB would need to be available every day and not pop in for a blow job once/week.

    • HoneyPot says:

      Perhaps you should proofread the description again…you seem to have a rogue letter in there that makes your post a lot more interesting than you intended. Haha

    • Elaine says:


      A PRE shower blow job?

      Hmmm…. I prefer him freshly washed.

  160. FunDude says:

    Despite the supply/demand economic model for the SMP being imperfect, it is a generally powerful tool to use to determine the value a SB should ask for in terms of an allowance.

    The problem is that the numbers are being obscured by the SA website. Claims of the average allowance being “3000/month” is insufficient data.

    Questions that would need to be answered to make a good model:

    1) Age Difference between avg SB/SD
    2) Age of Avg SB that makes the relationship
    3) Avg Length of the Sugar “Relationship”. If most of these arrangements are for very short periods of time, acting like a consistent “3K/month” allowance is laughable.
    4) Avg Age of SD
    5) Weight/BodyShape Considerations of Avg Sugar Baby
    6) Weight/Body Shape of Avg SD

    If we ran statistical models using generalized attributes, we could develop a bell shaped curve for allowance expectations for each type of SB.

    Comparisons could be made for avg allowances of a 45 BBW SB vs a 21 y/o thin SB.

    • FunDude says:

      Also, we would need to know the percentage of SBs on the site that had allowances for greater than 3 months, less than 3 months, never had an allowance, only does p4p, etc.

      It could be that the good minority of SBs have “allowances” for >3 months, which would make it essentially p4p for them as well.

      If it turns out the vast majority of SBs can’t achieve an allowance for greater than 3 months, the “allowance” average becomes less relevant since the vast majority can never achieve it.

    • gentleman soul says:

      Even if we had a valid statistical model ,SBs want what they want. Statistically, if a 23 yr old average (name ethnicity) female in LA should earn $XYZ ,she might “know her worth” and demand 3 X. In the end ,the market determines the rate anyway . An SB who “needs” an allowance is going to take an offer that she can live with . The dreamers might pass while waiting for the Unicorn. I would guess that 1/500 hit the SD Lotto

      • FunDude says:

        She could do that but if she is greater than 2 standard deviations above the norm, she could easily be shown the level of her delusion.

        Sometimes it helps to actually value it statistically for both her sanity and the SD sanity.

    • ILikeOlives? says:

      Well heck @FunDude I can help you out there:

      1) 17.7 years
      2) 26.3 years
      3) (no data)
      4) 44.0 years
      5) Body Type (reported) Slim: 26%, Athletic: 21%, Average: 39%, A Few Extra: 13%, Full: 2%
      6) Body Type (reported) Slim: 7%, Athletic: 49%, Average: 35%, A Few Extra: 7%, Full: 2%

      I would think you would also want to add in Budget for the SB (#7) and the SD (#8):

      7) Budget (for SBs) – Negotiable: 47%, Minimal: 3%, Practical: 18%, Moderate: 17%, Substantial: 9%, High: 6%
      8) Budget (for SDs) – Negotiable: 71%, Minimal: 4%, Practical: 13%, Moderate: 7%, Substantial: 3%, High: 1%

      Some caveats/comments on the data:

      * The sample was chose from where I live (Fort Worth)
      * Sample size (as of May 15, 2015) was 6,856
      * Only profiles with photos were considered (this will skew things on the SD side, as 85% of SBs have photos, whereas only 40% of SDs do)
      * Profiles are included, whether or not they are “Active” or not (my definition of Active is a profile that has had activity within the last three days)
      * There is a fairly normal bell curve distribution for the SBs by age, skewed to the “left”, that is the “hump” is at 21, and then tails off to 60+
      * There is not a normal distribution for the SDs by age, they are all over the place
      * The official SA marketing line holds up, there are 9.0 SB profiles for every SD profile.
      * However, in terms of “active” profiles, it is much less, as the ratio drops to 3.3 SB : SD. (And this only includes profiles with photos, so if many of the SD profiles without photos are serious, then the actual ratio of active players in the Sugar Bowl would be much, much lower.

      And finally, yes, I have way too much free time on my hands. 😉

      • NC Gent says:

        @Olives — loved the post. Another non supply-demand factor. The SB doesn’t always take the highest bidder. OK enough OCD on this topic — next 🙂

      • FunDude says:

        NC an equilibrium point can be established for each supply/demand curve with a variance using standard deviations.

      • FunDude says:

        None of that data actually gives how many actual allowances there were in the area, the length of said allowances or the value of them.

        But besides that, cool story bro.

    • GeorgiaPeach12 says:

      Hey Darlin!
      Welcome back! Wear out your little g/f? Or just pop back to say hello? We have missed you! Classes going ok? How was your vacation? Details please! Damn those plaid shorts still making me thirsty. 😉

  161. Reb. says:

    Had a date last night with a younger guy. He told me how his ex was 26 and “insane” with borderline personality disorder. She was violent towards him, but he stayed for 5 years. He said the sex was amazing.. uh okay. I had an ex from the site like him (100 Million, young, crazy ex). The ex had cuts all up his arms due to the girlfriend’s nails in their constant fights. He ended up going back to her. I run far away from those types of guys. Sane girls bore them and insane women keep them on their feet since they have everything else they desire like a lot of $$ and a boring job.

    • NC Gent says:

      I dated a woman who had borderline personality disorder for about 10 months. The sex was amazing, and I can understand why someone can get sucked in. The woman was pure evil, but it didn’t show until about 6 months into a very steam relationship. I now call women like her “bunny boilers” ala the movie Fatal Attraction. There is definitely something messed up with someone who would stay that long IMHO

    • Anon says:

      I’ve noticed that some men gravitate toward crazy chicks, the same way many women gravitate toward men who treat them badly. Interestingly, I’ve seen rich men often fall into this category, as do good looking women.

  162. Josh says:


    Theoretically there’s no pricing model per se. SB asks whatever she wants, SD offers whatever he wants and they come to something that works for both of them.

    The pricing model is fucked up because SA has decided to egg SBs on to operate as pseudo-escorts and/or rinsers.

    • SD says:

      Hi there do you think it is ever worth while paying for initial meetups to find the chemistry?

      How can you convince her that you are serious and at the same time avoid being rinsed by a fly by night meet as many idiots as possible and never come back SB

      • NC Gent says:

        If you sugar date enough, you are eventually going to get rinsed by a good actress. Try to screen as much as possible. I don’t promise anything for a first date, but I do reimburse for reasonable expenses. When there was someone I wanted to impress, I also brought a gift card (usually not more than $50). You have to be able to read someone, but you also have to decide if getting rinsed a little bit is worth it when you find a good match.

      • ILikeOlives? says:

        @SD Almost never.

        I thought that @NC Gent’s comment, while blunt (“Let’s think of it from an SD perspective…. would you ask for a free blow job for them to show they are real or for you showing up?”) was pretty much right on point.

        @Jaybird also made the comments, “There was an SB be(fore) on one of the older blogs who said that an SD told her he had to “audition” her to see if she was good in bed before he would give her an allowance…” as an example (in my opinion) of a ridiculous request from a SD.

        If SB expects a donation to meet you in person, then my opinion is that the situation has turned from the SD needing to prove that he is serious, to the SB needing to prove that she is.

        I am not disagreeing with the fact that there are a lot of people on both the SB and SD side who are not serious about the sugar bowl and are just trying to “game the system” as it were. But like any relationship, entering into an arrangement takes effort. If neither side is willing to make the investment of their time and effort without being compensated (whether that be physical or financial), then to me, they aren’t serious.

        Now here’s the flip side, which will totally contradict everything that I just wrote. When I meet a SB for the first time, I will almost always give a potential SB a donation for her time and effort (whether or not I think there is chemistry or not), and the fact that she most likely incurred some degree of expense to meet me in person. (Gas for her car, sitter for her kid(s), skipped a shift at work, etc.) Nothing outlandish, but enough that if a SB got taken out for dinner five nights a week, that she would easily meet the Practical budget expectation (so you do the math).

        The difference being that the latter is a reward for an expression of effort on behalf of the SB getting to know me better, whereas the former is an expectation that the SD for some reason needs to prove that he is serious, without the SB expending any effort at all.

      • Elaine says:


        You don’t have to convince HER.
        She needs to convince YOU!

        We the all know 8 SB : 1 SD ratio is complete SA marketing bogus, but even if in reality it is closer to 2 : 1, it is still a buyers market.
        It is the SD who is going to pay, so it is HIS party!

        No serious SB would ever ask to get paid for a first meet & greet.
        A serious SD could be a gentleman and offer to reimburse the (travel) expenses she had to make, but that is it.

        It should be an investment in time, making that investment without any demands or expectations is the best way for both to prove “being serious”.

      • Josh says:


        What do you mean by “I have counseled women on not going on a date unless there was 100$ in it for her”?

      • zito says:

        just that I had a friend who was in a bad situation and she wouldnt let me help her, so I gave her the idea of just going on first dates but getting money for her time, think she only did it once though

    • lovelynyours says:

      That’s part of my point, Josh – you’re spot on, here. It is ridiculous to attempt to box in the intricacies and nuances of sugar relationships into a pricing model. That’s just stupid. You’re talking about one man and one woman (or maybe a third, if you’re into some real fun) and the connection, interactions, and bond between them. Not to mention individual circumstances, how they were raised to view money, etc. All KINDS of things that can’t be quantified.

      To boil what a guy and a girl agree to with one another, all down to some b.s. supply/demand theory not only illustrates a gross misunderstanding of the foundations of supply and demand, it strips all of the components involved in what determines an allowance for those two people into “the SB is a car, a house, or cow” and therefore has a set price that will be determined by some market. That’s not how this shit works, in reality. Because we’re dealing with feelings, when it all comes down to it. So talking about a pricing model, frankly, belittles both sides – perhaps one more than the other.

      • I agree with your points to an extent and I would say that the factors you mention:

        “Not to mention individual circumstances, how they were raised to view money, etc. All KINDS of things that can’t be quantified.”

        All feed into your perception of value for everyday goods too. The in-quantifiable aspects are similar to those for any valued brand. Is a 1936 Mercedes-Benz 540K Special Roadster really worth $12m or does the fact that it was owned by Baroness Gisela von Krieger’s have special meaning for the purchaser over and beyond the rationale value determined by supply and demand economics.

        Supply and demand economics can provide the foundation for the price you are willing to paying in well defined areas of value, and like any other product that price comes with a + or – premium for other less quantifiable factors.

        In summary, the model does apply at a macro level. I might pay more as a widower however for that women that looks or makes me feel like my wife used to.

      • NC Gent says:

        The supply-demand pricing model isn’t COMPLETELY applicable for sugar dating, because at some price point, the SB will decide it just isn’t worth that little amount of money. If the supply-demand model worked, the number of SBs would eventually roughly equal the number of SDs (markets are self-correcting). Unfortunately, I think the average monthly allowance at which supply-demand would balance is likely about $500 a month, and there are very few SBs that will go for that. Anybody else have a guess at the average price point for supply-demand balance?

      • lovelynyours says:

        You’re not wrong in that point. But that’s not what Fun did, or even alluded to, and most importantly, we’re still left to deal with the fact that we’re not talking about what the worth of a car is to Tom or what its worth to Harry; we’re talking about the fact that some are attempting to use market theories to say that a woman’s company, charm, thoughtfulness, fun, creativity, intimacy – whatever that list of attributes might be, isn’t worth X or Y, and that her “price” is too high. To curb any future objections elsewhere, I make no argument as to where her price should be, because I just don’t care and that’s between a woman and the SD she’s with or about to be with. I posed the question, in an irritated, long-winded way (because this isn’t the first time I’ve seen this sort of thing), why are we whittling a person down to price and her worth, here, at all? Paired with the lumping in with prostitution, it just leaves a bad taste. And is this really the community we think any significant numbers of sane, respectable women or men are going to want to be a part of? One that is so clinical, elementary, and cynical about something that’s supposed to be sophisticated, intricate, and meaningful?

        I did digress there, apologies.

      • lovelynyours says:

        NC – Thank you! Another who understands the foundations of supply/demand! You are correct; that particular model doesn’t work here because the features and premises that drive the theory itself (self-correction, for instance) do not and cannot occur, with this case. As I said, some forget these are human beings we’re talking about – and the number of women who like to be given gifts, money, and connections will always outweigh the number of men who will give these things to add to friendship or companionship. That’s just one barrier to self-correction, among many, as you mention.

      • lovelynyours says:

        *one of which you mention

      • flyR says:

        Lovengly – Tune in to one of the Barrett Jackson or other classic car auctions. You’ll see one of a kind cars selling for various prices based on not only what the car appears to be worth but the appetites of the buyers and the interaction of the crowd.

        I think there’s also a lot of confusion about supply and demand. In sugar you have a high degree of elasticity in both supply and demand.

        Kind of like Uber – more demand , prices go up which signals more drivers to hit the road which in turn causes a shift in the supply demand equation and rates go down.

        Sugar differs from Uber in that there is very little standardization once you get beyond someone simply looking for or offering frictional satisfaction in one way or another.

        There are a lot of profiles out there which are either just lookers or those who want to have a line in the water in case the big fish swims by.

        I think the biggest mistake 90% of the participants make is not engaging in effective product differentiation and marketing. While most of the focus here is on the SB marketing , there are a lot of opportunities for the SD to market more effectively.

      • It does cheapen the whole process and I understand your perspective as an SB. How do you quantify the company, love, care devotion….is it worth half of the $800m Paul McCartney’s is worth in a divorce settlement for example.

        But I think all SDs consider the value proposition carefully….how much will I pay versus the price (time, effort, money…) it will cost to achieve this in the real world.

      • FunDude says:

        Although there are some exceptions to the supply/demand model due to “behavioral economics”, the vast majority’s allowances will remain relegated towards the supply/demand curves.

        Women who have attributes that are considered more valuable in the general market will be able to set a higher price point than women with less valuable attributes.

        The “equilibrium” point for a 1:1 ratio of SD:SB would be around 500/month on average, with SBs in higher demand commanding higher numbers.

        The reason for the oversupply of SBs to SDs comes from the fact that the price point demanded from many of the SBs are TOO HIGH for their value on the overall market.

        Ergo, many SBs will not receive any allowances while many SDs will consider them “entitled” due to overvaluing the allowance numbers.

        This is the reality of the issues with the SA website.

        Lying about true allowance numbers to get a higher supply of SBs by the management team doesn’t make the experience better. It actually worsens the experience for both SBs and SDs on average.

      • Anonymous says:

        I completely agree with you FunDude. SA purports an average monthly allowance of SBs so that they can tilt the balance to an oversupply of SBs. It seems like you would market that the average allowance is lower so you would attract more SDs, which are the paying members. Maybe they think SDs shop on variety and supply and not price?

      • NC Gent says:

        my apologies — that last anon post was mine

      • Elaine says:


        Funny, most of these comments always come from someone who is not an SD and is merely here on blog to tell other SD’s how stupid they are to have to “pay for it” .

        Really sad, this talk about supply, demand, curves, “worth”, age, physics etc.
        And, OMG, the reactions when SB’s apply the same curves on their time and “price”!! That is “escort’ish”!

        I personally think it is both quite stupid and neglecting what a sugar relationship really could be…..

      • SouthernSB says:

        I think that Mr. Wade is running SA like a bar on “Ladies Night.” You know the formula, let the ladies in free and the men won’t care that they have to pay a fee. While this may work IRL it doesn’t really work in this venue due to the fact that it attracts all kinds of less than quality SBs and SDs. Mr Wad is going for quantity and totally forgetting about quality. This place needs a virtual velvet rope, because instead of being like an upscale club SA is starting to become a low class honky-tonk.

    • You’ve seen the girl that flirts with a guy in the club and gets him to buy her a drink, then unceremoniously ditches him very visibly making him look like a complete Muppet.

      Putting yourself in his position is the inevitable price you will have to pay before you come across a real and workable SB on here, is it worth it?

      • rembodler says:

        With some minimal social skills SA provides ample opportunities to rarely (or never) find yourself in this situation.
        Using your example, you only pay for her drink when it is room service and you are already at your pathetic “was I the best you ever had” question stage…

      • Nice. I would surely like to navigate this minefield with that level of competence. Verified supermodel quality woman wants you to deliver some goods on credit….the monetary value is quite small should I take the risk and come to accept I might lose or expand the base of people I speak to.

        It’s kinda sad the more I think about it, what woman would come to respect you if you bite those kinds of requests.

    • Josh says:


      You never want to pay more than a trivial amount, say $20-$50, for the initial meeting. That amount is to compensate her for gas, cab fare, possible time off, babysitting, etc. Paying more trains them to make a business out of first date.

      This website has a habit of training women to screw men. They have a sister site to do just that…meeting people for first dates and never seeing them again.

      • zito says:

        I will say I have counseled women on not going on a date unless there was 100$ in it for her…one could actually make a decent nest egg with just doing first dates with that agenda

  163. lovelynyours says:

    I’ve given this a lot of thought. I’m seriously thinking about leaving SA and not participating in the online sugar scene at all. I’m starting to wonder if this medium is truly for me – this site, its practices, the fact that I don’t feel I quite fit in. While it feels like there exists a minority of truly decent people on SA, I get the impression that SA and other sugar dating sites are rife with unsavory characters that I’d never have to sift through or get associated with IRL, and the online component, as it currently stands, takes away from the experience we’re all supposed to have rather than adds to it. The experience doesn’t feel adventurous or empowering. It just feels sad. I guess before I came online, I thought sugar was wants-based rather than needs-based. As in, “I want to take my business or my life to the next level” rather than “I need this money to pay my rent” or “I need this money to support myself or my family.” There’s no judgement, there; I simply understand now more than ever before why some SBs and SDs are how they are – because this is needs-oriented, more often than not. And that knowledge does something to people, on both sides.

    When I started out in sugar, I fell into it and encountered someone IRL. The time after that as well; I wasn’t even looking. And I realize now that without that need to market/sell myself, it felt empowering, natural, and helped me focus on what mattered – the connection and the experience. I wanted to be here because I love the idea of travel as often as possible – having an SD out of state really appealed to me, so it made sense to take my search online. It still does appeal, but maybe I have to sacrifice that in exchange for getting to enjoy the sugar lifestyle without feeling embarrassed about it. It’s different having to sit across from a potential that I now know has seen so many garbage profiles, had scam experiences, received messages rife with entitlement, tackiness, poor form, and poor spelling/grammar, sifted through tasteless, escort-y pictures, who has put me in a general category by very virtue of being on this site – even though I’d win out against that type of SB any day of the week, that general category feels icky to me. Not sure I explained it adequately, but that’s as well as I can manage it.

    That said, I think the sugar concept, as it was originally intended to be, is a lot of fun and eliminates the complication or traditional dating, which is awesome. Have any of you ladies ever had an SD you met IRL, without an online site, that you pursued to be his SB? How did you broach the subject, or did you two just fall into it? How receptive was he?

    • FunDude says:

      My economic modeling arguments before explains the problems in the SMP on SA. This is the major cause for the decline in the website.

      • lovelynyours says:

        You know – quite frankly, the fact that you’re giving “economic modeling arguments” only further add to why I have declining interest in being a part of SA. Clinical, cynical, and a bit dehumanizing. SBs aren’t the only part of the problem.

        With a background in haute finance, I’ll be the first to use economic models to understand human behavior. But when I’m talking about “pricing”, I also have enough heart to recognize that I’m talking about human beings and a very intimate aspect of relationships, both of which ought to be treated with more sensitivity and dignity.

      • FunDude says:

        Your argument is typical of the hypocritical nature of the discussion with Sugar Babies on this website.

        When it comes to allowances and monetary demands, sugar babies are VERY “clinical”, “unfeeling”, lacking in “dignity” for the sugar daddies.

        They often cite false stats that are given by the owner of this website in a false attempt to bring in more sugar babies, which leads to a false entitlement mentality.

        Sugar Babies only whine about “dignity” when it comes to demands placed upon Sugar Daddies to “accept” women who fall out of the traditional ideal demographic.

        Ergo, the “dignity” argument is just superficial hypocrisy on the part of sugar babies who want high allowances but can’t compete in the sugar space. Instead of lowering their expectations for allowances, they whine about “dignity” or some other sympathy factor to attempt to shame sugar daddies into paying more than they should.

        The economic model description of the sexual market place is the FAIREST model with the most “dignity” for the majority of participants. We all have to deal with it.

      • FunDude says:

        You never see the “dignity” argument from sugar babies for broke sugar daddies who can afford very little in terms of allowances.

        Its always some one sided whine from sugar babies who demand men accept their flaws while strongly demanding top allowances.

      • lovelynyours says:

        If you spent any real time on the blog since I’ve been around, you’d know that I’m anything but entitled and I abhor clinical, unfeeling, behavior towards SDs as well. Those who have interacted with me at length know how important it is to me that my SD, or my bf in a traditional setting, is cared for and I always have his interests in mind, and I go well above and beyond for my guy. Don’t put your own personal SB issues and generalizations on individuals unless you’re certain they ascribe to the same mentality and beliefs as those you demonize.

        Most of your rant poorly masked as economic theory, and especially your response (the vast majority of which does not at all even apply to what I was talking about or even who I’ve demonstrated myself to be as an SB), only further illustrates the SD side of the problem, which you don’t even touch on, at all, in your musings.

      • lovelynyours says:

        I’m not interested in persuading you to accept, or even see, my perspective. I don’t know you – to me, you’re some random guy on a computer who, for reasons I cannot fathom, openly admits to checking out SB profiles just to amuse himself. I can think of SO many better uses of time, a commodity that can never be replenished. But, I digress.

        I’ve spent a lot of time being frustrated or annoyed with SBs who are either malevolent, clueless, or downright damaged. I’m one of the first to criticize a woman for entitled views or foolish behavior. But I’m intelligent enough to recognize that SBs are inherently only one part of the problem. The mentality some men have towards SBs, while all the while having an SB, looking for an SB, or creeping their profiles and evaluating SBs (huh?), is what is hypocritical. I see a lot of negativity towards SBs, which is valid, for the most part – as I mentioned, I’ll be among the first to spot that – but little to no positivity at all. Not a single iota of indication that an SD here has any respect for SBs in general, or even those they encounter. I honestly wonder why anyone bothers with it at all. And referring to an SD’s financial support as “prices”, and cryptic lumping a sugar relationship in with “strippers, hookers, brothels” as COMPETITORS was just over the top. I’m over it.

      • OnlineNewbieSD says:

        @lovely – I will be sad to see you go…you WERE one of the SBs on here who would call out SBs for problems…

        I would say, not to convince you of anything, just to have the argument out there(and I’m sorry if I missed it already listed, I’ve been away for a while)…most of the economic discussion happened because of the unending SB attitude on blog and interactions in messages.

        I hope you KNOW there are SDs on this site that DO care for the SB as more than a cumdumpser, want to be a productive part of her life, and are willing to make her life easier because of the value SHE brings to HIS life…it’s just not the norm on SA right now…hopefully…things might start changing?

        Although, to be honest, my best SB experiences were with women I met IRL…I turned rather bitter with my experiences on SA until a couple of bloggies turned me around…if you’re willing to stick around, you can help those of us looking to make changes to the SA Sugar Bowl a reality!

      • lovelynyours says:

        That means a lot, Online. Thank you. 🙂 I get that in the past there may have been some SD bashing going on in the past; I think someone else mentioned this once, too. But SB bashing isn’t the appropriate response after all that ended. That’s just not reasonable. Perhaps it’s simply a function of the sheer volume of it, but a blog that becomes the very thing that guys weren’t into before isn’t any better.

        The reality is that, whether it’s fair or not, what gets put on this blog serves as the thermometer a reader or lurker will use to gauge how things really are in the sugar bowl on SA, or perhaps even online in general. They will use it to gauge how to treat an SD, AND they will also use it to gauge how to treat an SB. I’m not just talking about gifts, dates, intimacy, allowance. I’m talking about respect, dignity, philosophy, mentality.

        Someone, maybe cryptic? mentioned once before that comments here tend to influence the general SA community in terms of changes made, little by little – I think the example of profile content was used. There are a lot more people who read this than the 10-15 regular commenters here. This is a public forum. I’m not saying anyone’s being misogynistic or any of that, but what I am saying is that I’m really tired of being made to feel like I’m part of a category of women who aren’t respected as human beings. And I’m equally tired of the sharing of “theories” that only further hurt the cause when it comes to a community of mutual respect and dignity. We aren’t all the same, we don’t all think alike, we are people who strive for connection and meaningful interaction just as much as anyone else. And the words written in this blog sometimes, AND by other SDs to other SBs, don’t always indicate an acknowledgement of that.

    • FunDude says:

      Yet after all your verbal gymnastics, I have yet to see a “dignity” argument from your side calling on sugar babies to accept broke sugar daddies who can’t pay much of an allowance.

      Where is your dignity for this segment?

      • FunDude says:

        Also, you haven’t refuted anything stated in my economic arguments due to their solid foundations in explaining the reality of the SMP.

      • lovelynyours says:

        It’s only verbal gymnastics if you don’t possess the reading comprehension skills to understand them.

        Like I said, I’ve been clear from the start that mutual respect is key. Not just for an individual SB or SD you’re getting to know or involved with, but for SBs and SDs as a whole. Dignity is not defined as “accepting a broke SD” or “accepting an unattractive SB” (which is the ACTUAL inverse of what you just wrote – having NOTHING AT ALL to do with what we’re talking about here or anything that I’ve mentioned).

        Treating someone with dignity is defined as harboring an inherent and basic respect for them as a person or a collective or people. It means acknowledging their humanity rather than likening them to a commodity like a house, car, or all the other dumbass analogies I’ve heard for women and the intimacy that they’re giving someone that they’re *supposed* to connect with in a meaningful way. It means not trying to wrap your mind around their behavior by using half-assed pricing models that eliminate the nuance and heart (irrational or otherwise) that inherently lies in any relationship between people who care about each other. You struggle here because you don’t seem to understand what dignity even means.

        the state or quality of being worthy of honor or respect.
        “Treating people, or groups of people, with dignity is of the utmost importance in any relationship, sugar or otherwise”

      • lovelynyours says:

        No, you poor, misguided man. I don’t have to refute or address anything of yours that I don’t give a shit about or believe warrants any further attention, under MY OWN damn post. I have nothing else to say to you nor read from you. You’ve already proven my point.

      • FunDude says:

        You are essentially arguing that SDs need to “accept” attributes that most find undesirable due to “dignity” issues for the SB.

        Yet, these “dignity” considerations never go the other way for SDs who have less money or other undesirable traits.

        Ergo, hypocrisy is noted.

  164. FunDude says:

    Been away for a few weeks due to my MBA and work. Plus I have been in Cancun two weeks ago partying with my gf.

    I find this website very amusing and basically just come on here for the message board or seeing the delusional profiles of some of the SBs.

    I basically use this site to make an assessment towards the behavioral economics of the sexual market place.

    Conventional supply demand curves don’t cut it when trying to determine the price for a sugar baby. Many of these sugar babies value points are based upon human irrationality with little understanding of the statistics of supply/demand.

    SA could be used as a great study for an economics class to compare supply/demand models proposed in conventional economics courses vs “behavioral economics” that are more dependent on irrational price points from various SBs.

    • FunDude says:

      SA truly goes against the theory of “efficient market” pricing models when it comes to value propositions offered by the majority of SBs.

      I think lack of rational thought, lack of mathematical ability in relation to supply/demand and slick marketing by the SA group causes SBs to greatly overvalue their respective “allowance” demands.

      Ergo, this makes a great study to further prove the flaws in conventional supply/demand curves when it comes to traditional microeconomics.

    • cryptic anomaly says:

      I have noticed of late that as the economy worsens that SB’s seem to be asking for more. They are not factoring in that SD’s will want to spend less and that also they are competing with other variants such as strippers, hookers, brothels (if legal in the area) and even webcam girls and porn.

      Not to mention that most SB’s don’t engage or pursue their customer, the entitlement aspect again, they think that because they have joined up they are entitled to a SD who will pay them whatever they like and they will begrudgingly turn up to get the cash. Again, they are not thinking in terms of the big picture.

      • FunDude says:

        If the economy is bad, the pricing should DECREASE for the SB due to less disposable income on behalf of the customer (sugar dadies). There should also be an increase in supply of sugar babies due to them having far less money from loss of income/jobs.

        Therefore, the supply curve should shift towards more supply of sugar babies with decreased demand for their services on the part of sugar daddies.

        Ergo, under traditional supply/demand curves, the price of the SB should DECREASE.

        Cryptic, this is an example of irrationality in the marketplace.

  165. FunDude says:

    Had over 20 messages when I checked in last time. Very unimpressed by the sugar baby quality.

    I basically check this site for fun to see the level of delusion present in the many of the modern Western females these days.

    Most of the women weren’t even in good shape lol

    • FunDude says: