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Determining an Allowance
  • Posted May 6, 2016


As a Sugar Daddy, generosity is ingrained in your DNA, but the ways you choose to express your generosity may not line up with what your Sugar Baby has in mind. It is important that you decide what kind of financial support you are willing to offer before seeking an arrangement with a Sugar Baby.


Are you comfortable offering your Sugar Baby a monthly allowance? Or would you prefer to pay her college tuition? Maybe you want to take her on luxurious vacations and occasional shopping sprees, but not be committed to offering gifts on a regular schedule. All of these options are acceptable, but you need to make sure that you and your Sugar Baby are on the same page in regards to financial expectations.


Only you know how much disposable income you have so take a look at your finances before committing to a regular allowance for your Sugar Baby. Don’t promise more than you can afford. If you promise to pay important bills like your Sugar Baby’s rent or tuition you need to follow through and if your circumstances change let her know in advance so she has a chance to prepare herself.


Communication is key between Sugar Daddies and Sugar Babies. Both parties have their own expectations and needs and the only way to ensure that happens is to have open and honest discussions. As a Sugar Daddy you will probably want a Sugar Baby who can be available according to your schedule, or you may want your Sugar Baby to be available to travel with you. Whatever your expectations are, it is important to discuss them at the beginning of your arrangement.


Keep in mind that the competition is fierce out there. Just like you have many options when it comes to picking a Sugar Baby, Sugar Babies also have options. If you want to maintain a relationship with a top-notch Sugar Baby be honest about what you can offer and be as generous as your budget allows. Take her wants and needs into account before deciding how you will handle gifts and surprises. Once you get the logistics figured out it’s time to enjoy life as a Sugar Daddy with a beautiful Sugar Baby be his side.

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727 Responses to “Determining an Allowance”

  1. Anonymous says:

    Hello SDs and SBs,
    What do you think of 800$ allowance per month + gifts, for 3-4 meetings per month ?

  2. I just want to be naughty all the time

  3. Anonymous says:

    I recently had a potential SB message me that my wants in my profile didn’t match up with my SB budget of minimal. She indicated that ladies’ time was worth $100-$150/hr. So that would mean if I took her out of town for an overnight event, that she would want upwards of $1250 plus all of the expenses that I would normally pay. Is this in line with most are spending?

  4. Mr. SD says:

    As an experience SD who can afford Substantial, I always wonder what to expect for 10K/mth. Is it wrong to expect a 24/7 SB when I pay my full time secretary $4,500/mth (before taxes)?

    • Anonymous says:

      I would expect her to be on call at the least and also for there to be zero drama. What I have noticed though is the women who want substantial also bring heaps of drama.

      • Sid says:

        Drama…OMG.. I have about had it with my LTA..in the High to Sub each month and does nothing but whine about it…like she has an AX card I pay for, but if she pops 500 on Saturday Bar Hopping and I ask…I am prying into her life….like..do not use it then…IDK..amazing but a PITA too..time to move on but she keeps hoovering me back

    • Alternatedating says:

      I don’t think its wrong to expect 24/7 on call if you’re paying that kind of allowance.

      On the other hand, while I’m not able to provide in that allowance range, I’d be skeptical of paying such an allowance. For example, a few minutes ago, I was emailed by someone in that allowance range who appeared to be very attractive but also had pictures of her on rodeo drive with several bags of Chanel, Fendi, etc. Not my style.

      I also haven’t found larger allowance to make women more reliable … the woman on the $5k allowance had a hangover and cancelled regularly. The women on the $1500 allowance rarely cancel.

      • Liya Sugar Baby Newbie says:

        Hello, I’m a new sugar baby and thought I’d put my two cents in if you don’t mind. Even if you guys are sugar daddy’s and have heaps of money to spend, you should also look more into what you’re spending on. Like the other guy said about the bags HAHA. It’s true. For example, most girls are into brand name designer clothes or bags and stuff while you have other girls like me who has never really cared as much into my looks. I haven’t had anyone even offering me $2k or $5k a month and I don’t even do those things the girls you’re talking about do. I hardly drink and smoke. So maybe the questioning and getting to know each other phase needs a little more work?

  5. let's get real says:

    I consider myself to be a somewhat experienced SD, but in a smaller market where prices are much different than NY or LA.

    My experience has taught me a few things…

    1. After the first few arrangements, most SD’s will negotiate a lower allowance since having a SB is not all it’s cracked up to be (in most cases).
    2. Most SD’s have seen, or are continuing to see escorts and/or other SB’s while in an arrangement.
    3. There are plenty of escorts on SA pretending to be struggling students or single moms.
    4. There are plenty of SD’s pretending to be wealthy, but are average earners just looking for a clean, cheap sex.
    5. The idea of a sugar relationship is much different than the reality of one.
    6. Girls who start out at $500+ per meet will more than likely accept $200 – $300 per meet after they realize how much money that actually is compared to what they are making now.
    7. The more unattractive the SB is, the higher the allowance she’ll want.
    8. A SB who asks for the next meet’s or month’s allowance will probably never see you again unless she really, really needs money, and if so will ask ‘to work off’ her debt over the next few meetings, but that won’t happen either.
    9. A SB/SD arrangement without sex only exists in a land where unicorns run free.
    10. This lifestyle is addictive on both sides, anyone who partakes and believes that this is a ‘temporary’ situation until they get on their feet, or until their marriage is back on track, is sadly mistaken.
    11. SB’s 26 and over are much better in bed, 22 and under have no idea what their doing.

    I could go on and on, but the reality is that 99% of men on SA are looking for intimacy and 100% of women are here for money. It’s a simple exchange of goods, once you understand that, you will be successful on SA. There are scammers on both sides, be cautious.

    • Wertie says:

      >The more unattractive the SB is, the higher the allowance she’ll want.The more unattractive the SB is, the higher the allowance she’ll want.

      Did you mean to say “the more attractive the SB is…”

      If you meant what you meant, i would love to hear you expand on it.

    • Wertie says:

      Did you mean to say “the more attractive the SB is…”

      If you meant what you meant, i would love to hear you expand on it.

    • Anonymous says:

      “7. The more unattractive the SB is, the higher the allowance she’ll want.”

      Totally agree, they are also the most difficult, the women who want minimal and neg. are the best looking and easiest to get along with.

  6. Anonymous says:

    I honestly wouldn’t know how to feel about the idea of paying for sex whether it’s the first meeting or just meeting up for that, either we hit it off and there’s a spark or there’s not. As they’ve said before, we’re SBs not prostitutes.

    Plus as a plus sized woman I’d almost feel like I’d have to work twice as hard to make the SD like me just so we could get passed the fact I’m not 5’10, thin, and blonde. Those are my shortcomings, why should he have to pay for that?

  7. AK says:

    How to hook a SB in 5 easy steps (Written by a SB)
    1) Don’t talk forever online: A quick conversation is cool, but after day two you should, at least, be emailing (or texting, whatever you BOTH are comfortable with) about meeting up.
    2) Meet somewhere public: This may be shocking to you “Sugar Daddies” but a lot of women are looking for something platonic. Why is that? Because that’s how it first started and that is what a sugar baby is (A “companion”). Then many floozy girls (Hoes, Pros, and Hooks) heard about the potential money and flooded the site looking for some quick cash (Pay for play, low allowances, etc). The term “Mutually Beneficial” has come to mean “sex”. Which it’s not. Not saying it can’t come later, just don’t expect it until you two are comfortable. So, do not ask her to meet you at a hotel, your place, or at her place. If you’re worried about saving some money (which, if you’re wealthy I wouldn’t think is a problem) opt for a coffee/ ice cream date. But if money isn’t an issue, try for a late (helps with discretion since it’s not as busy) lunch or a dinner. It does NOT need to be a five star (or even 3 star), but Olive Garden isn’t going to give off the best impression either. Just like you would want for her to give off a good first impression. You’re showing her a taste of what she can have if you two have chemistry and vice versa.
    3) YOU are the one who is already a VERY successful man: Remember that many of us are in school and work a typical part time job to get through it and become successful… When you ask to meet with us, we typically have to call off work, or miss a class, or travel very far, and some may even have to pay a sitter if they have their own children. This is why many girls may ask you for a gift (That can be a gift card, a bit of cash, offering to pay for their uber, etc.) You don’t need to fork out thousands of dollars, but a LITTLE gesture is nice. This also shows your legitimacy. There have been times where at the end of the date, we have had such a good time, I have been given an envelope with some cash already in it letting me know this is something he took seriously and wanted to continue seeing me and that we wanted to solidify our arrangement.
    4) Know your limit: Take a look at your potential SB’s profile… Really look at it. Look at what she said her “Lifestyle Expectation” is. If she says, for example, Substantial, know that means from 5-10k (Practical 1-3k, Moderate 3-5k, etc). If you’re profile says “negotiable” and you pick a SB who’s profile clearly says “substantial” she is going to think you want to negotiate an allowance between 5-10k… Not negotiate how you only want to give her 2k for four meets a month (broken down to $500 a meet). You can find a Pro for cheaper than that price and she’ll probably f**k you better. If it says “negotiable” then negotiate away! But don’t get upset when you’re upfront on your profile by stating that you EXPECT intimacy but set a double standard when she is up front telling you what she expects.
    5) Know what type of arrangement you want and say that. There are plenty of kinds: 1) Allowance based, 2) Travel based, 3) Gift based, 4) Bills based, etc. Keep in mind that there are many SCAMMERS (on both sides) so if you get offended when we ask for cash instead of you knowing our bank info, know why. The longer the arrangement, the more trust there will be. But if you’re weary about giving all allowance cash upfront, maybe do biweekly. If you’re wanting to travel, let her book her own things. if you’re not comfortable with that give her the money when you are together and have her book it in your presence… If you feel so inclined. If you are going the gifts route, have her make a public amazon wish list or have her send you links so you can surprise her when you meet or ship them (Amazon has a good option for making her feel secure as you don’t see the address). Or take her shopping as a date. Two birds, one stone. As far as Bills/ Tuition… That’s pretty easy.

    I hope this helped! Now, you don’t HAVE to do this, just know that this is what we look for(:

    In summary:
    1) Meet soon
    2) Meet public
    3) Be generous
    4) Meet expectations (on both sides)
    5) Know your arrangement

    If you disagree, feel free to. However, just keep scrolling and ignore this. No need to waste your time! If you have any other tips, leave them below! Happy sugaring!

    • Anonymous says:

      Nicely put, very straightforward for all involved. I think a small gift on meeting shows character, as you said a gift card or envelope. My only concern, I’ve done this about 10 years and I’ve noticed the worse the economy and greater the net worth posted the less generous the suitor. Of course, move on, but wondering if this is a new trend? I’m accustomed to a generous meeting gesture and lovely meal? Thank you again for your post.

  8. Anonymous says:

    Pay per meeting makes sense to me when starting an arrangement. How much is normal? I’m talking about dinner, some entertainment and an hour or two of sex afterwards.

    • Anonymous says:

      Some say area dependent, but it comes down to what you want to pay. If they ask for over 200, I agree and then don’t pay them.

      • Anonymous says:

        And you should be arrested.

        I wouldn’t touch anyone for less than double that.

  9. Anonymous says:

    I had a SD write me tonight and told me to book a flight and hotel with my credit card. He said he will reinburse me for the flight and hotel upon arrival and also give me 5000 per visit plus shopping etc. He wants to see me one day out of the week 4 times a month. I have never met but one guy from this website and he was local. I’m a little scared I’m in Tennessee he’s in Detroit supposedly doing a big real estate deal. The weirdest part about this he just joined this site yesterday June 10, 2016 and makes a substantial amount of money. He asked me to text him a pic and I asked him for a phone conversation he agreed and I called him…he didn’t answer but replied with a can I call you in a second text. So I said yes after I replied he called me he sounded very tired with a raspy light voice. I don’t know what to think about this one can someone please help me out?!?

    • Anonymous says:

      personally the having you flight over and book your own hotel room sounds a little fishy since he is the one asking for it, its pretty easy for him to just book you a room and hotel. Even thou its not something i would be comfortable with since you have to remember your both complete strangers to each other. Suggestion is to talk more to them, use facetime or skype and then go from there

    • Ms. Phoenix Rising says:

      decline. It’s not reasonable for you to pay upfront expenses in only hopes of getting reimbursed…don’t be naive.

    • Anonymous says:

      Drop it. Immediately.
      Unless you would like to pay for your trip and hotel for the privilege of being raped.

    • J says:

      This guy is a scammer. All the girls are posting about him on IG. Anyone that offers an allowance like that should be able to pay for your flight. Also, don’t travel without face timing or Skype with any man.

  10. Anonymous says:

    Here is some perspective, ladies. For $3k a month a guy can buy a truck for himself as well as a nice house to use as a base for flying in women from all over the world to hang out with him until he gets tired of them. That’s what you should use when you start thinking about what to ask for. You can have an enhanced life with a sugar daddy but you need to get your head wrapped around the concept of money first.

    • Anonymous says:

      Amen to that. Tell this to a delusional SB who told me that if I paid her 500 a meet, she would have to hang out with me three times to be able to afford a Chanel bag. Or to a SB who told me she wanted 3K upfront, and intimacy would be possibility IF there was chemistry. Ironically, these two are hanging out on SA 24/7.

    • Anonymous says:

      Think everyone has there own standards and expectations. First meet I’ve ever had with a girl on this site kind of opened my eyes a bit, started off just meeting for drinks, then dinner and so on. Ended up talking and enjoy each other company, only realized the next day that it was 9 hours and the time just flew. Asked the girl about her previous experiences and apparently it was with a much older gentlemen and she would get paid 400$ – 500$ a meet, purely platonic too, and what suprised me was she told me not to worry about an arrangement at all, we just simply ended up dating. Then again maybe its because of my age ( i’m 32, younger then most SD on this site i’m guessing) and that we really clicked well. Heck on the second date she even insisted on paying for some of the stuff, again pleasantly surprised, not because of the money but because of the gesture.

      Lesson of the story is basically that everyone has different arrangement they are looking for, and they are not fixed, it vary depending on who and how well you connect with them.

    • Ms. Phoenix Rising says:

      Ironically while I get what you are saying….did you ever stop to think that maybe not ALL guys can AFFORD to be called suggar daddies versus guys who just want hook ups and have a couple hundred dollars??? There is a huge difference and I’m beginning to think a lot of you guys don’t know the difference or are just not in the right income bracket to be doing this on a regular basis.

  11. Anon12 says:

    Hello everyone, I’m a newbie SB and my SD and I are currently discussing payment arrangement. I’m a little extra pre cautious when it comes to anything online. So this could be him or it could be my imagination…

    He said in order to send me the money he will need the mobile banking details so he can add my account to his in order to activate an automatic one time transfer. So I gave him my online banking app number.

    After giving him my number he said he needed the “login details”. I replied “login details?”. He said He was going to be adding my account as an external account to his so he needs the details for verification. I told him that I wasn’t aware he needed such information to transfer money. He said it was going to be an electronic transfer. It sounds sketchy to me.

    Does it sound sketchy to anyone else or is it just me?

    • Traveler115 says:

      It is very, very sketchy. In fact if you give him that information he can drain your bank account at will. He needs the name of the bank and the bank account number. That’s all….

      Run away.

    • Anonymous says:

      Actually if he’s setting it up as an external account he does need your login information that’s how the banks verify that the account your connecting to yours is one you should have access to.

      This is not a method of accepting funds that I recommend for a new sugar arrangement. This requires a lot of trust because just like he can transfer money to you he can transferit out also.

      If you’re going to go this route I would recommend going online and creating an account specifically for this. But there are other more secure ways to receive your allowance than this.

      • Anonymous says:

        DO NOT DO IT.

        He does not need anything he asked you for. All he needs is your email address, one you have access to. It does NOT need to be attached to your bank account.
        I have made a brand new email address just for this purpose.

        Its called E-Transfer, or Email Money Transfer, or Interact-Transfer.

        He types in how much he would like to send you, types in the email address you provided him, sets up a security question and a password.

        You receive the email within 30-40 minutes once he has sent it, he gives the password and there you go, no personal information needs to be shared.
        I sent and receive them daily, from all over the world.

        TELL HIM ABOUT THIS, if he refuses. Say good luck and move on.
        Or use paypal, paxum ect. But online wallets, I find, Are a headache!

      • Cali Dan says:

        They will ping your account with 2 low deposits (like .04 cents and .02 cents) In order for the account to be added, he needs those numbers (but not your login details) This is all pretty standard with connecting accounts.

    • Ms. Phoenix Rising says:

      While I see many are inexperienced here….you do not require log in details to do a wire transfer just the account information. It does not have to be YOUR account……just an account with an affiliated bank. In the case the banks do not match up…..the wire transfer can still be done with online credentials or an email address…..you can also have both of you equally sign up for greendot accounts or prepaid card accounts and money can be wired seamlessly through those.

  12. Daddy101 says:

    As with everything, there is quite a bridge in earning potential between SF and NYC on the one end and Cleveland, St. Louis and Indianapolis on the other. SB’s in a small market will truly have hit the lottery if they find an SD willing to pay a 3K allowance. In other cities, I have no doubt its an average. Like all things, know your market, or change markets.

    • Anonymous says:

      I would also add that places with large Universities, like Ohio State, Arizona State, are one of the best markets for SD’s, as there is no shortage of hot and young college girls in need of help and they are not high maintenance as their NY or LA or Miami counterparts. NYC is quite diverse so if a girl who attends NYU or Columbia is wanting a 3K allowance, you can always find a Brooklyn or Hunter College girl who will gladly take 1-2K a month.

  13. Anonymous says:

    Just so you guys know, when people send you money and ask for a certain amount back, it’s more than likely a stolen credit card that they can’t get any legitimate cash from so they send it to you first so that it turns into real money (not just online money) in your account, and then they get some. I’ve had people straight up tell me this.

  14. Anonymous says:

    I actually prefer OLDER SD’s. I find them to be much more understanding and willing to genuinely help me out with my needs, or give me the average SB allowance of 3 thousand. Unfortunately, I haven’t had much luck in recent months which has been extremely stressful. Not sure if its the area I’ve moved to or what, it’s too bad SD’s arent into long distance arrangement so much these days! Hahaha. But this post has some validity for sure.

  15. Anonymous says:

    If there are any serious sugar daddies that will pay the allowance to paypal at the beginning of every month and aren’t sketchy as hell, feel free to contact me. I seem to have the worst luck with legitimacy.

    • Anonymous says:

      I am willing to wire you 10 grand where ever you are and I don’t even want to see you. Just let me know the wiring instructions.

      • Anonymous says:

        Hey! I don’t want to leave my contact info out here in the open. Where should I send the details to darling? xx

      • Anonymous says:

        Oh and also, if you’re serious, THANK you. Literally you have no idea how amazing that would be! If you did ever want to see me and find me to your taste, maybe we could at least text or email from time to time? Or meet up, if we’re close 🙂

      • yougottabekiddingme says:

        Try 1800 Pencil Vain Ya Avenue

      • Cali Dan says:


    • immortal walker says:

      There is a problem with your request. You ask for a “serious daddy”, and then you ask for a “monthly deposit” as allowance. And, apparently, the pot SD only has your word that you will come forth with the accorded amount of meetings and hours per month. There are many SD, who have been burned by these methods (tactics), not saying you are not legit, just saying those methods have been employed by less than reputable SBs.

      The current accepted protocol, when you have been dating less than let’s say a year or two, is pay per meet, with the allowance given at the end of the date that day. It works better that way, and the Quality Assurance of the date is done at the end of the date as a feedback to the SB. The SB also can express any concerns about what has just transpired. That is why it is critical to talk during the very first meetings about expectations, and what we bring to the table, to reduce misunderstandings.

      • Anonymous says:

        And if she drags her ass to this date and then is not paid in return for it? You say that SD’s have been burned, well so have SB’s. It’s not so black and white.

      • Ms. Phoenix Rising says:

        In my opinion, a date is just that, a date; so if you feel you are being dragged to a date, you should not be seeing that potential sd to begin with. This is crazy, being a sb does mean you cater to the sd for his needs as he also meets yours. If seeing him feels like a chore or work, he is right to not see you again and to dismiss you should you ever call. Being a sb should never seem like work and if it does, you are with a man you don’t like and have been made into a working girl….not a sugar baby.

  16. Anonymous says:

    Are women asking 3,000 monthly allowance UPFRONT and saying they will just hang out 1-2 times a week (nothing physical) normal? Are these the delusional ones or there are men out there who actually have done this for them? I recently moved from Tempe, Arizona to NC and it seems like women here are either clueless, very unreasonable, not to mention super cautious/reserved and not that hot, as compared to ASU co-eds I used to be in the arrangements with.

    • Anonymous says:

      Its normal. 3k is average allowance, and a lot of men do it simply to spend time with someone. No sex.

      • Anonymous says:

        That always happens when she goes to sleep.
        Regrettably, when she stretches her hand to get that 3k allowance…she wakes up.

      • Jay says:

        The “average” depends upon where you live. $3k is a very generous allowance. I’ve been in the SD/SB game a long time and have several friends in this endeavor also. I don’t know a single SD that pays $3k/mo just to hang out with someone. We all have many friends, several of them young and attractive that will go to fancy restaurants, sporting events, or shows with us for free.

    • TO SD says:

      The vast majority of real SD’s would just laugh at that IMO, or consider it the SB’s starting point in a arrangement negotiation.
      Unfortunately there is no verifiable way to determine what is normal for either activity or amounts. I suggest that if you are an “average” guy what you consider appropriate is what most SD’s would also consider appropriate.
      Most men will want more than conversation or company, though that is indeed part of an arrangement. $1.5k a month spent wisely in a friendly bar can get you a lot of friendly conversations. Probably get you laid too! So who in their right mind would pay $3k a month for a SB for nothing but a conversation or two? Just ask yourself that. I suggest you apply the “does this really make sense” test to the comments on here.

    • immortal walker says:

      There are a lot of women, in this site, who ask for $3,000 monthly allowance upfront, of course, that does not mean they are getting that. Not the majority. I am sure there is a minority receiving that and even more. Some of even with no sex involved, but that is not the de facto standard.
      In my particular experience, I have had three successful arrangements with young attractive women from this site for $1,000 per month once per week meeting and some sleep overs. They have ended because our new schedules do not match anymore, and such.
      You, as a SD, be upfront as to what you can offer, and what you expect. I have no feedback critique to those SB’s who do not offer sex, as this is not middle school playground, and we are all adults here, that means, not playing that sort of games. Respect goes both ways. Platonic relationships? I am sure there must be a website for that.

      • Ms. Phoenix Rising says:

        You sir, unlike others actually offered a reasonable assessment of the situation at hand and gave a reasonable response. Most of these guys would find what you pay to be absurd because they seem to want girls that have a NEED versus a bunch of wants. They want desperate low income girls which makes for easy lays but not too good of a romance as they are always focused on their needs and not what you want. Not every guy makes a good sd nor can every guy that thinks he can be one actually afford to be one. But kudos to you and yours.

    • JSSB says:

      Well, UPFRONT… no. Until trust is established, I’d recommend doing a pay-per-meet situation. Then, once you feel more connected and know you can trust her, then you can move to bi-weekly or monthly arrangement.
      Insofar as the amount, no… they are not delusional. Personally, I’ve been offered far more than that, and I’ve also been offered much less.
      The offer I accepted was with an SD I genuinely like, and I am now receiving an allowance I am very happy with. We haven’t been intimate yet, but it is certainly going to happen (just like with any relationship).
      I know some girls want to attempt a platonic arrangement… but I don’t know how successful they will be.

      • Anonymous says:

        OP here: Yes, that’s what has worked for me in Arizona. Pay per meet arrangements are very common and most young coed SB’s agree to those. However, once I moved to North Carolina, I started having difficulty with pay per meet arrangements. Yes, some are ok, but the quality has dropped off considerably and essentially I am playing with single moms, older women, etc … I can only conclude that the absence of a major university and being in the bible belt don’t help.

    • Cali Dan says:

      3k a month is a 40K+ a year job. Simple statistics will show you that the vast majority of the population (95%+) would never have an extra 40k laying around. Of the 5% that do have that laying around, how many are men, single earners and are willing to fork it over? Yeah, these people are delusional at best.

      • Ms. Phoenix Rising says:

        Majority of the male population really cannot afford to be sugar daddies you have made a valid point. There is a shortage of authentic sugar daddies as opposed to potential sugar babies. I’d think both were delusional, why would any guy who could not afford to be a sugar daddy attempt to be or even have the audacity to call himself one then blame the sugar baby for needs or wants mostly because you cannot afford to provide them?

  17. blindsunray says:

    Interesting to read all the comments on here. I haven’t had much luck in the past with other sites but I thought I will give it a try. I am originally from India which seems to put off a lot of ladies for no apparent reason. I don’t have the typical characteristics of a middle class Indian male. To add to the complications, I am also blind. Not many people have come across blind people or anyone with disabilities. So I mostly got spam or rejections in other places. Any tips to improve my chances?

    • yougottabekiddingme says:

      Hi blindsunray…thank you for sharing.

      If I may ask…how do you go about reading all the comments here?

      Also, what are the typical characteristics of a middle class indian male?

      • Anonymous says:

        He can’t read it. He just writes.

      • blindsunray says:

        Blind people have been able to use computers and access the internet for a long time. There is technology that can convert text into speech.

      • blindsunray says:

        Not sure if the youtube link got through in the previous message. If the link is blocked, just search for “how a blind person uses a computer” on Google or Youtube and there is loads of info there.

        To the anonymous person who said I don’t read but only write, mind your own business please?

      • yougottabekiddingme says:


        Wow. That’s pretty amazing. Quite impressive and admiral, actually. I’m not sure if the video I found is the one you posted, but it was very insightful. Thanks for that.

        If it’s not intrusive to ask…have you ever had vision? Also, you mentioned that you don’t have the typical characteristics of a middle class indian man…what do you mean by that?

        Another also…I think that anonymous was probably just as ignorant on the topic as I. Please pardon us both. I am aware of text-to-audio translation. I just can’t imagine how strenuous a process it must be for you. Most have given up reading this blog even with 20/20 vision. Kudos to you for sticking around :).

    • Dr. Evil says:

      Offer large sums of cash! That usually works for me for any girl!

    • Anonymous says:

      Sorry dude, i thought you were joking. I hope you find the SB of your dreams.

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  19. Laure says:

    Unable to login for whatever reason, but anyway. I find it interesting that this article asks for expectations to be gone over at the beginning of an arrangement, because so many people (SBs and SDs alike) seem to find that taboo and advise against it? Of course you’re going to want to flesh out the details first! I always ask for potential SDs to let me know all of their expectations about the arrangement before we even meet, and do the same, so that we don’t end up wasting the other’s time.

    • MO says:

      I have had 5 recent SD contact me and when I ask them their expectations. They say things like spend time together or give me attention. When I ask what exactly that means the get quiet, distant of change the subject. I’m an up front person. If you want attention that means I will text you when I’m free. Why can’t people just be honest.

  20. ? says:

    so I’ve been talking to this SD for a while now and I’ve recently broke my phone. he said he would get me another being that we have to communicate some how. but he’s out of the country right now. so he said said he could send me a check and i could deposit it via mobile with my bank app because i’m using a back up at the moment but it isn’t really good it shuts off every so often.. but when he was telling me the amount he would send i could only take 400 out of 2000 and then send the rest to a organization for him and i still had to wait for two weeks when he gets back so he can buy me the phone. it sounds like a scam honestly. what do you guys think?

    • MO says:

      That sounds shady, why not just wire you cash. Steer clear.

    • JL says:

      DO NOT DEPOSIT THAT CHECK! I was in banking for some time and that is a classic scam. I don’t know if one or both you and SD’s account got hacked or if he’s really that shady. This is a scam and you will end up with loads of headaches. Please do not deposit that check.

    • Natalie says:

      I literally have been talking to a SD that said the exact thing to me. The whole he will send me a check, and I need to send him 400 dollars from the 2000 he sent me. He had also asked me at one point to send my credit card numbers to him, which I obviously didn’t send. I just cut off ties with him yesterday because of how shady he is. I wondering if he are talking to the same guy?

    • Jay says:

      Don’t. Do. It.

  21. Jake says:

    I am a widower that is not interested in remarrying but would love to have a relationship with a young lady from time to time. I am a successful businessman that is semi-retired. I live in a new condo building in the Edina/Bloomington area of the twin cities. I am not looking for a daily relationship, just a get together once or twice a month.

  22. Anonymous says:

    I am finding that most girls, especially under 23 are either scared or not serious about this. I also noticed a pattern where if a girl posts 10-15 public photos and hangs out on the site almost every day, is not serious either. Minorities seem to be more serious and willing to meet. Anyone have the same experience? Or maybe I live in a conservative area. Single mothers are down to play though LOL

  23. Anonymous says:

    I am new to this and possibly reconsidering. I took the time to read 90% of this thread and was wondering if someone confirm or deny the following.

    Minority women deserve less money.
    Younger SD’s pay less because they are not “desperate”.
    You must offer sex up front of you will not be considered.
    Young girl cost more than older women.

    How much truth is there to these statements?

    • Anonymous says:

      Just about right. I am a young (40 years old) SD, Caucasian and go for minorities, because they are more reasonable and I happen to like them more than your average 21 year old blonde airhead who sucks in bed. Yes, I like them young. I like young African american or mixed.

      • Anonymous says:

        I see, as a “Caribbean American” I was a bit offended. Then I considered history and minorities have always been devalued. This should be interesting.

      • Anonymous says:

        There is absolutely nothing interesting about someone feeling offended. If you pay kids attention only when they are upset or pretending to be upset, you end up with neurotic kids. Squeaky wheels should not be oiled but should be replaced.

      • Anonymous says:

        lol thats a terrible analogy, I’m not too much concern about being interesting. I’m almost certain people just want you to play the part until their done with you anyway.

      • ? says:

        it’s really comforting to know that their are men out there that appreciates beautiful african american women.

      • Anonymus says:

        What about it if you are an exotic mix? Like I’m half Middle Eastern (from the type of country where you never see women from) and half Eastern European (from a country that is well-known for it’s beautiful women). Will I still be considered a less money deserving minority?

    • Daddy101 says:

      As with all things, generalities are just that. 1) I offer the same regardless of race, I do think women of color for me tend to be more realistic and more ready to commit, but not by a large margin; 2) no idea about the younger SD’s, but I think it is generally true that it is easier for a 30 something to attract the interest of a 20 something than a 50 something. There would be something wrong with society generally if that weren’t true. 3) I think sex is inherent in the relationship for an overwhelmingly large percentage of SD’s (95%). The SD isn’t interested in paying out large sums of money with the idea that there may be a payoff someday, particularly when this site, like all sites, has its share of scammers. SD’s are by and large successful businessmen and entrepreneurs. They didn’t get that way by offering money repeatedly with no return. And the return is sex. If it wasnt sex, that have plenty of other avenues to find a date with a younger woman. 4) Depends on your definition of “older”. I think many SD’s are not particularly interested in the 20 somethings since they can’t relate to them on a lot of levels. Of course, there are the SD’s that only want the young thing and for the 40 yo SD, young almost certainly means 20 something. If you are speaking of 40 and over, yes, I think the 40+ SB is in a pretty tight market for trying to draw attention. But again…every statement I just made is a generality. There are plenty of SB’s and S’s that will disagree with everything you and I have written.

    • McnDv says:

      Not my experience.

      “Deserve”? I don’t think that is the right word but, its a market economy. The market might dictate that SOME minorities get less than others. In my area black girls generally are a little less than white girls who are about on par with latina, and all a little less than Asian. BUT, its so hard to make an apples to apples comparison, and each of us only has a few data points, there are WAY more characteristics that dictate allowance than just race. A fat white girl will get less than a smokin’ black girl. Some with a crap attitude gets less or nothing than someone nice to be around.

      IDK what other SD’s pay.

      Disagree with “Sex up front” but…..it is an important part of the relationship. Allowance/spoiling etc starts when intimacy does, but a good partner who is looking for something long term would be willing to get to know you first. I avoid intimacy on the first date, I want to know someone personally.

      Completely disagree with the last. Older women seem to want more $ than younger girls. I think a big part of that is their bills are likely higher. But, at the same time, remember youth is an asset, and beauty is a declining asset. Older women who ask for a lot more are IMNSHO not understanding the market.

    • Jay says:

      Question 1: No.
      Question 2: Younger SDs frequently pay less because they typically earn less as they have yet to reach their peak earning years, which is typically in the mid-50s to early 60s.
      Question 3: You don’t have to offer anything up front, but the majority of SDs will expect sex to materialize fairly early in the arrangement. After all, this isn’t Match.com.
      Question 4: It depends on what you mean by “young”. From my experience, the girls most in demand are in their early 20s to early 30s. They tend to draw the highest allowance.

    • Ms. Phoenix Rising says:

      I can’t believe somebody replied it’s nice to know that guys like black girls…….this is an insult. He only likes them because of what is a stereotype about black women; they are poor and over sexualized in general thus he can do more and pay way less. This may be the case with some young, black women but certainly not all. I wouldn’t not join just because of this I’d simply choose to be more careful in my considerations.

  24. Anonymous says:

    I love how they want to believe we are ugly and desperate…so when her old fat self working minimal wage jobs makes a profile and demands High, men are gonna rush to her, to clinch that deal…

    • Wow says:

      Wow, you surely seem like a keeper of an SD. Anyone who would talk about other SB’s like this isn’t worth anyones time.

  25. Ghost says:

    No guys wants an long term arrangement unless u look like a supermodel or actress face or body. There are so many girls in LA and every guy has plenty of options to spend his dough on. Thus, most guys on this site pay for play or so called per meet offering from $100 to $2500 PER MEET not Per Month depending on how hot the girl is. The so called long term arrangement is only a figment of your imagination not reality. Good luck girls!

    • Jay says:

      I disagree. I’ve had two “long term” arrangements, which I consider a year or more with girls that were in their mid-20s and EXTREMELY attractive, but in a normal, girl next door way. They each received $2k per MONTH at the beginning of the month. We met once a week for some private time, plus lunch or dinner other times. They would also travel with me on short business trips when schedules allowed. It’s hard to find those types of arrangements, but I’m really hoping to repeat those experiences soon. And any guy in LA that pays $2500 per meet is an idiot, since there are top-shelf porn stars there that will gladly hook up with you for around $1700 per meet.

      • Ms. Phoenix Rising says:

        Oddly enough you sound like you have more experience than the OP and more disposable income lol, no offense. The only ones who come here and complain about monthly financial arrangement amounts and long term situations are the ones who truly cannot afford it and had no intentions of actually establishing a ltr with anyone. And you are correct, body type and attractiveness matter; some men even care whether or not you are already established, college educated and the like. Authentic sugar daddies tend to look for higher caliber girls or women depending on how young or old they prefer them. A lot of these guys don’t really know what they are actually getting into and would probably do better with less hassle not calling themselves sugar daddies but maybe potential helpers.

  26. Anonymous says:

    No guys wants an long term arrangement unless u look like a supermodel or actress face or body. There are so many girls in LA and every guy has plenty of options to spend his dough on. Thus, most guys on this site pay for play or so called per meet offering from $100 to $2500 PER MEET not Per Month depending on how hot the girl is. The so called long term arrangement is only a figment of your imagination not reality. Good luck girls!

    Tips for Girls
    1. Avoid the guys who offer monthly allowance because they will most likely disappear or “ghost” before the pay day and you will never get a penny and wasting 3 weeks of your life.
    2. Avoid meeting at hotels unless the guy pays upfront
    3. Always ask for cash and get paid per meet

    • jardinj5 says:

      That is very helpful, thank you.

    • Lola says:

      Well he can pay upfront ,

      If he is a real sugardady he will have no problem paying upfront. Losing 2k isn’t a big deal since the lady is the one losing more if there is not money at the end of the day.
      Ask money upfront, when trust is there he can pay you monthly alway sin advance.well you pay rent before staying not after right?
      Do not get fooled

      • Anonymous says:

        So Lola are you saying you have been paid upfront and then didn’t go meet So he lost 2k ?

      • Lola says:

        i never said that , why will i not go?
        if i am really looking for an arrangement i will surely go and find out what kind of person he is.i never done that i had one meeting as an arrangement and hated it,i am just saying he is risking money you are risking your life going to meet a stranger.One invited me and booked the ticket when i talked about hotel he was insiting telling me tha he has a spare room i didn’t go.So he can book a ticket and not 200dollard for the hotel?

    • Jay says:

      That’s poor advice. What you’re describing is escort on retainer, not Sugar Baby.

      • Ms. Phoenix Rising says:

        pay per see is fully escorting though if sex is a prerequisite so….I really think guys have to understand the line here and be patient with girls where are maybe afraid or shy.
        Guys have to also understand that no matter how you cut it to make it work for you, the view is the same so she should cover her own behind……and worry about feelings later. If that cuts down the potentials that she sees so be it. But if her goal is not to be an escort, this is a good idea.

  27. Erotica says:

    CURIOUS…if you guys are rich, tall, handsome and perfect…why do you need this site. Women should be fawning all over you? No?

    So I dont get the harsh judgement and expectations of women. Do you think it’s easy for a woman to have sex with some of ya’ll and you only want to pay a small amount.

    • Anonymous says:

      1. We are old, they are young. On many dating sites, you cannot even message them.
      2. We are “rich, tall, handsome and perfect”, but we are married.
      3. I want three of you. Try it with a regular dating.

      You have…absolutely no first funkin clue, do you?

      • Cali Dan says:

        lol perfect reply. I’m a married dude and I want a new girl every few months.. how is that possible on a site like PoF where the girls are getting 500+ messages a day?

    • Jay says:

      Actually, it’s quite easy to get laid, but this site is about more than that. There have been many times that I’ve gone to a high end restaurant/bar and met attractive young ladies that have been mistreated or neglected by clueless boyfriends/husbands. If you pay attention to them, compliment them, buy them a nice dinner and a couple of drinks, you’re almost guaranteed to get laid. But those are usually one-off encounters, and this site is about an arrangement, not a one night stand.

  28. Anomomomom says:

    Hard to play “submissive sb” when I’m six foot. So many seem turned off by my height.
    *cries in tall girl*

  29. Anonymous says:

    I just received a message from a POT SD, and he asked me how much to play? What do I tell him? Is pay for play the same as an arrangements?

    • Anonymous says:

      that means how much to have sex basically. pay for play is an arrangement yes. Most of the arrangements here are pay for play

      • Rick says:

        Most arrangements start pay per meeting, that way you can establish trust over time and change it to monthly if you like. But when a guy asks “how much to play”, he is probably looking for an escort not a SB, especially if you’ve never met. So just keep that in mind. Most SDs will want to meet your first and will usually buy you lunch or dinner. Be careful with this guy.

    • Jay says:

      I’d tell him that he’s looking for an escort, not a Sugar Baby. He’s on the wrong site.

  30. Anonymous says:

    I currently have a POT SD that’s willing to fly me into NYC (I’m from FL) to hang out with him for a weekend. It seems a bit sketchy, but I’m not sure what to do. Does anyone have any related stories to share or tips on what to do?

    • Anonymous says:

      I am going to say if he can’t come to you for the first meeting at least…. no way. My opinion as an SD looking in from the outside.

      • Anonymous says:

        One other thought. Why would I fly in a chick from FL if I live in NY? Is there not a woman near NY that would be good? I think not, the more I think about this the more it stinks of a no-no.

      • Anonymous says:

        OP here. Thanks for the reply. He says that he is very “picky” about his women. After a week of barely talking to him/getting to know him, he invites me out. Lots of red flags here.

      • Anonymous says:

        NY has an abundant supply of hot women. They want a little more money because the cost of living is very high there. He is trying to save money and-or scam you — either way, not a good sign for someone who is supposedly wealthy.

      • SweetDaisy says:

        I agree, he should come and meet you first, if he is serious about the SB and SD relationship, and is willing to pay your way, he should see you on your territory first

      • Daddy101 says:

        Agree with above 100%. No way you fly off to someone you never met. If he tells you to be trusting, you say gladly, yo be trusting too: send the money first and see how far that gets.

    • Rick says:

      This sounds so unsafe, I’d never ask a SB to do this. I’d fly to her the first time, if I couldn’t find someone locally.

    • Lola says:

      It s not commun but it happens.
      Since yo are the one coming over also be blunt and ask for everything upfront prior to your meeting.
      What about him making you come and not showing up?you have more to lose so you could go if he books your hotels, he gives you your arrangement money and shopping money upfront is he cannot then he is not serious a real sugardaddy as a high income and if he prefers you out of all the ladies from NY then you are a high value for him he can gamble here and bet on you as you by going there.

    • Jay says:

      Don’t. Meet him in public first, then decide on how you’d like to proceed.

  31. PlatinumPolska says:

    Its really interesting to see how people work financially together as it is companionship. Im trying to figure out the fine line of balance between the both since its a whole different ball game. Like anything things take time that i understand but people are still people who need to learn how to communicate and respect each others thoughts otherwise no one is ever going to understand the other and thats confusing and burdensome enough…. I wrote more but it got deleted so i give up lol. ugh!!!!

  32. roissyo says:

    I’m a French SD, 45 years old and discovered this site 3 months ago…
    I was more than amazed, not only did I get more than 200 messages, but I also realized that some of the SB are just looking for what I would call the ancient way of life….Being taken in hands by a Real Man who has more means and takes care of the rent, the expenses, the travels….
    Of course a few girls behave like real escorts, but I’ve met a few who never, ever asked Me for an allowance, they were just happy to be with a Man taking care of them, a Gentleman, opening the door of the car, paying for the restaurant, inviting them for a weekend in Paris or London, having some attention, nothing more.
    And well, it’s this the way people used to live for ages, when the Man was going out working, the woman taking care of the house…?
    It may sound a bit like “Mad Men” indeed, but that’s the way My parents used to live and they are still happily married….
    I see no shame in taking care of financial aspects for a Lady if I have more means, it’s just normal, I’m not paying an escort and never will.
    Of course I met a few girls saying that they were ready to “do whatever I want” if I cover their financial needs…and guess what, I ran away…
    But I also met a few very honest and charming girls who shared the idea that Men and women are not equal but complimentary, I could feel they were dreaming of being taken in hands and loved.
    So far, My experience on this site has been amazing and I really think it might lead to a real relation where money won’t be an issue nor a “sex arrangement”…..

    • yougottabekiddingme says:

      🙂 thanks for sharing.

      This has been my experience in relationships. It’s very typical of relationships in other parts of the world, and a default for many older, established gentlemen, I think.

      Problem is…I don’t cook much, and Ive no keen interest to start. I also need my own space…not interested in a full time, everyday proximal situation that requires most of my attention on a mostly continuous basis. I do have pursuits of my own, after all.

      Marriage? Perhaps. My last partner proposed marriage, and was considering moving to my city to start a life together. Told him we could live in a duplex…he on one side, I on the other. We could visit each other a couplefewsome times a week. Worst suggestion ever, apparently.

      Deal breaker 1/many.

      Told him we could even break down a wall and share a kitchen.

      He reminded me that I don’t cook much.

      Touché. Deal breaker 2/many.

      Said he wanted to have a home base together with seasonal homes in a couple other locations.


      But then…deal breakers 3-5.

      Ultimately, we were two people who sincerely cared for each other…loved each other. It could be that the age difference was a factor, but it wasn’t a relationship built around or contingent upon sugar. I didn’t meet him on the site, and never asked him for anything, but he gave and shared freely. As did I.

      Am most grateful for his generosity and gestures of love. I think it’s important for established men to understand that even though they’ve etched out their paths, and have found success and abundance in their efforts…everyone’s path–to a significant degree–is their own.

      In the end, the pressure to mold my life to his while skipping the process of my own adventure…the things that were important to me…was too much.

      He’ll make someone else very happy, as will I.

      If only he’d have agreed to live in a duplex.

      Or perhaps had I just shut my mouth, taken my ass in the kitchen, and made the man a pot roast.


      First world problems…What gives?

    • Anonymous says:

      My experience so far is very similar to yours, most of the girls i’ve meet on the site haven’t asked for any kind of allowance, not sure exactly why honestly, maybe it’s as roissyo said where alot of the women are just looking for the ancient way of life or they are just looking for a gentlemen that will treat them right, bring them to places and go to fancy shows and restaurants.
      But then again i’m pretty new on this site, and usually i wont talk to girls that are very obvious that all they want is money so, that might make the difference too.

    • Katerlilly36 says:

      If only. 🙁

      I’m heartsick for a time I wasn’t present for.

  33. Anonymous says:

    I think most girls just want money, but they prefer to get it from clean respectful men, to minimize the risks. They may enjoy the conversations and even sex, but these are really distant seconds to your money.

    • SDinChicago says:

      If she only wants to see you once or twice, I totally agree. And if you make it about the money, she will only want to see you once. When it is about the money, it fizzles. You will lose interest, she will lose interest. That sort of deal making has no appeal for me.

      More to the point, if it is only about the money, that will show up in the initial conversation again and again. Show stopper. NEXT!

      • Gtt_envy says:

        In the end it’s always fleeting. I spent 5 years on SA and (other they all suck sites) and in the end all of the relationships fade because they arent real.

        I had girls we talked every day, txted, took trips, wete more like FWB then anything, but even those became me being 40 something them being 20 something and finding a love of their life.

        Slowly but surely all of my ex SBs faded and now I talk to mone of them. The memories are good (I suppose), but its not real in the end SDs are temporary fixes to present day needs and the same can be said for SBs.

      • Anonymous says:


      • John Dough says:

        That SD/SB relationships tend to fade away is a good thing. I actually prefer it that way. I tell them at the very beginning that payment will not be them to come by — instead I pay them to leave. I am older, in my 50s, and they have been for the most part in their early 20s, so there is no chance that the relationship will be about anything more than my physical needs and their financial needs being met. I have had more than one long term arrangement, with the longest lasting about 3 years. That one ended because she got engaged and didn’t feel comfortable seeing me anymore (even though she had no problem seeing me when she was dating him before they got engaged). She broke the news to me in a “Dear John” e-mail thanking me for the good times and stating that we could still keep in touch from time to time (but not see each other). I figured I would never hear from her again but just to test it out I sent her an e-mail a year later asking how she was doing but never got a response (nor did I expect one). It didn’t make me sad, as I assumed she has moved on and would likely prefer to forget that she ever had done anything like this. It’s ok on my end — as I get older there will always be younger women with whom I can have an arrangement and yeah, there won’t be the benefit of a deep and long lasting emotional connection or commitment, but so what. I was married for over 20 years and believe me when I say that such a connection is much overrated. In the end an arrangement from this site or anywhere else is much cheaper and more satisfying than a traditional relationship or, god forbid, marriage. Just my two cents.

      • Anonymous says:

        if its only about the physical, why not use multiple escorts and have an assortment of experiences. I am looking for a more companion type relationship, fleeting as it may be.

      • Jay says:

        I agree 100%. Both past arrangements that I consider successful were about shared interests, caring (not necessarily “love), and having fun both in and out of the bedroom. And this happened despite a 30 year age gap. It all comes down to the attitude of both parties.

      • Ms. Phoenix Rising says:

        I have to agree, I dislike it being all about the money but I equally dislike it being all about the sex. I don’t like to initially discuss either and find when one demands discussion of a sexual nature it’s best for me to run away or to at least offend them in a way that makes them back off first as to consider maybe they approached me wrong. Not all have experience so some of them do what they have been taught through experience.

    • Gtt_envy says:

      @John Dough, I disagree a ton, what makes great sex great is emotion, it is that bond!!

      SB/SD sex is good, but after 3-4 times Im bored unless it is moving to at least a (good friends with benefits) type of vibe.

      Keep enjoying the life it waned for me and quality on SA has really decreased. Every diva wants 5k/month or they are escorts willing to do “Whateva!”

  34. SDinChicago says:

    Fascinating thread. I liked it so much I decided to offer my own counter-essay.

    I am a SD in Chicago. I have been on and off this site and similar sites for five years. (SA is the best.) I am typically seeing two or three SB’s at any given time, and I state this plainly in my profile. I rarely contact a SB. No need after all. Even so, a steady trickle of inquiries arrives in my inbox. My longest relationship lasted almost three years, and half a dozen have lasted one or two years. At present I am in two long term relationships and one that is in the trial phase. No SD/SB relationship lasts forever, but my friendships with my ex’s endure. I am in my 60’s, in good physical shape, and I love women.

    So, I have a perspective on negotiation that I would like to offer to both the SDs and SBs.

    The essence of any good negotiation is finding out exactly what the other party wants. Here is a list of what I have heard SBs tell me they wanted over the years.

    O A little extra money.Or a lot.
    O A plush break from their daily life
    O A mentor. An investor.
    O Good to great sex.
    O Gifts.
    O Deep conversations.
    O Pain, bondage, and domination. (I am not making this up.)
    O Trips.
    O Threesomes. Various kinky sex, usually anal or something involving a vibrator.
    O A chance to be daddy’s girl, or to be around a strong man so she “can relax and be a woman”
    O Spa treatments.
    O Boob jobs. Occasionally an ass job.
    O Bills paid off, or the rent.
    O A rescue from a bad situation.
    O Dress up.
    O To dominate in the bedroom.
    O A patron of their art.

    I could go on, of course. Perhaps three things will stand out for her besides money. If you are the SD, put a couple drinks in her, tell a story about some crazy thing you have done, and ask her what is the craziest thing she has ever done. Then broaden that to find out what she is looking for. If you focus on the money, you get the wrong conversation.

    Next, and this is critical, ask her what she does not want. Here are some of the things SBs have told me.

    O A boyfriend.
    O To spend a lot of time on the phone or texting.
    O To be ignored, or not get enough time on the phone or texting.
    O To be with a guy that doesn’t drink or who is not 420 friendly.
    O To overnight, do afternoons, or spend more than a couple of hours together, etc.
    O To not overnight, or be constrained to a couple of hours, etc.
    O Pain, bondage, domination, anal, vibrators, etc.
    O To have to dress up.
    O To get paid like an escort, or to not get paid like an escort.
    O Multiple SB’s in my life. (Show stopper for me, except she put up with it.)

    Again, I could go on. SD’s should be on a mission to explore the basket of things that attract or repel her. Money is not the only thing in the basket. The more you find out, the more she notices that she is looking for more than just money, and the more interesting you become in her eyes. If you find something in the basket that is a show stopper, that is good too – saves you both a lot of time.

    If she is only interested in the money, and does not want to have this conversation – pay the check and leave. There could be many reasons why she has a laser-like focus on the money, but she is not interested in you.

    I have one critique of SA – it’s sliding scale from “minimal” to “high”. I suspect it is there to attract naive young women. But it places too much emphasis on the money.

    In my experience, SBs want a package. Here are four packages from my past long term relationships.

    Package 1 – she was 35, single, working mom. She could get away once a week. She wanted a mini-vacation. A downtown hotel, a fine restaurant (she would pick), great sex. She would check in first, chill the wine, and meet me at the door in a robe with a glass of wine. Conversation and great sex followed. Then dress up, fine dining, a bar for conversation, and back to the hotel for drunken sex. In the morning she might do the spa or a bubble bath. Every few months she wanted to shop for something – a coat, a purse, a watch.

    Now, this was her package, not my package. Great sex in her package included a plug-in-the-wall vibrator – not my thing, but acceptable. The cost of this package averaged about $500/week or $2000/month.

    Package 2 – she was married, 24, and working a sales job at a cellular company. Discretion mattered. Money mattered some, but sexual variety mattered more. She did not care that much about the hotel, or lunch, or cocktails. She said the sex was good with her husband, but infrequent, and she was bored. The money made her feel sexy, desirable. She said she married too young. She had never had a chance to explore.

    Again, her package, not my package. The cost of this package was about $400 twice a month.

    Package 3 – she is single, 22, and just getting her feet under her. She got her first place all to herself a year ago. I see her occasionally. She texts to see if I am free. I drop by. We share a bottle of wine. She takes me to bed. She likes me, she knows me, she asks for my advice. Still, this package is about a little extra cash and a safety net. She knows that she can count on me if she needs me.

    Cost of this package – $300 every now and then.

    Package 4 – 47, divorced, had a problem with alcohol. Two DUI’s, and as a consequence having a difficult time getting reestablished. Interesting part was that she was a former teacher and community college instructor. Lot of fun in and out of bed, and had the alcohol under control. This one took more work. I showed her how to put a course online, and from there leveraged it into a full time teaching job at a trade school.

    Cost of this package – about $2000 a month and a lot of my time.

    What is my package? I love women. I love to unwrap their package and see what is inside. So I am flexible, but there are three things I require. First, I never have just one SB, and I encourage them to see other men, including other SD’s. Second, they have to be interested in me, not my wallet. Third, complete honesty.

    Regarding non-exclusivity, I will not judge the social aspects. I am here to discuss the impact upon negotiation. Bringing additional buyers/sellers into the market makes any market more rational. Both sides know there are alternatives in play. This adds stability – it reduces the pressures to separate. A two-supplier rule is common in business. In sugar or business, there is less drama, less anxiety, more fun. From a sugar perspective, she is seeing other men. That reduces the financial pressure on me. From her perspective, which is better? Two SDs spending $2000 each on her per month, month after month, while she is free to find Mr. Right, or one SD spending $4000 that expects exclusivity and then dumps her in month two? I know from long experience that nearly all women in the sugar world are seeing at least two men. They may not both be SD’s, or they may, but women attracted to sugar are not monogamous. (Granted, there are also women that show up here hoping to find a rich husband, but they rarely last longer than a month.) My relationships have lasted years in part because I am the “bird in the hand”.

    Now I must turn to the SB side of the negotiation.

    Everything I have said applies to SB’s too. Unfortunately, most men are not good at describing what they want. They say they want a hot young woman that will treat them like a king. They even think that. But they are every bit as complex as women.

    I can only describe what I have heard from SB’s. Obviously that is both biased and second hand. Still, my SB’s can tell me anything, and I have some insight into the male perspective. What I hear is this.

    O Men are fundamentally insecure. They want to be accepted for who they are.
    O Most men want privacy. Women want to be “arm candy”. Men want a trench coat
    O Men secretly love a little drama. It makes them feel needed.
    O Men love to be chased. Or if you prefer, seduced.
    O Some men have fetishes to satisfy. If so they are easiest to satisfy.
    O Men love little things, like a small gift. (Cookies, a card, a bottle of wine…)
    O Men want to please a woman.

    And so on. Men also want a package, and to be candid, SBs in their 30s and 40s are better at delivering a package. No stones thrown here at younger women. I see women of all ages. I just think women over 30 have more practice at figuring men out.

    When it comes to money, men are keenly aware that what they offer in cash is only part of the cost. They also compare prices with commonly available sex workers. Take the commodity escort price in your area (see backpage.com) – double it. That is what they expect to spend per date for everything – dinner, gifts, allowance, rent, whatever. You might get triple, but color me skeptical. In downtown Chicago, I might spend $500 on a night, which works out to $2000 a month. In Racine Wisconsin, $300 per night, $1200 a month.

    Do some women actually get the $$5,000 to $10,000/month promoted here? I suspect it has happened, but rarely. In a busy month I spend $6,000. That would be spread over three SB’s. Granted, I am very well off but not wealthy, and great wealth creates a new set of problems, so it could be that it is easier and more satisfying for some wealthy men to lavish that on one remarkable woman. On the other hand, I suspect there are more men like Hugh Hefner juggling several SB’s than fictional characters like Christian Grey trying to figure out how to handle just one.

    So, to summarize. Approach every negotiation as a package. If you are the SB, would you be happier with $1000/month and another $1000 spent on the high life, or would you rather have $1800 and cook and entertain at your place?

    Don’t approach this as money only. Both parties will be much happier with a package, and packages are much more likely to last.

    • problem is says:

      don’t tell me, let me guess that the on-line course you set up was “Creative Writing” no?

      • SDinChicago says:

        Thanks. She developed it. I just gave her the means. For example, her power points were awful, so they were sent to India for reworking. Her audio recordings were adequate, but she needed a better mic and instruction on how to use it. Mentoring her and giving her the means to dig herself out of trouble was part of her “package”.

      • yougottabekiddingme says:

        Swell write up, SDinChicago. Thank you for sharing 🙂

    • Anonymous says:

      It’s too bad there aren’t enough SB that can carry on a conversation long enough to get to the “package”…or…when you mention the word ‘package’ they’re expecting something besides cash when they reach into your pocket.

      It’s a great theory. If you can manage it, it should be sheer perfection. I’m just not sure there are enough SA profiles to provide for this scenario locally. Luckily you’re in a major market and appear to travel a distance.

      • SDinChicago says:

        In my experience, all SBs can carry a conversation – you simply ask her questions. People love talking about themselves, provided you are reacting to what they say with genuine curiosity. Occasionally I will toss out, “Okay, your turn. Ask me something you want to know about me.” I reply to her question, and then ask yet another question about her life, her interests, her hopes…

        As for the local market, I often go on business trips. Recently I was in central Alabama. Slim pickings, true, but I emailed several women in the region in advance and asked if they would be interested in meeting me. Two agreed. One actually showed up. We had a lovely time.

        I think any market works. It is more a function of taking a real interest in the lady than in finding candidates.

      • Sunday says:

        I’m sure that I know how to carry on a conversation longer and wetter. lol just thought you’d like that look me up c goode alton Il.

    • The Truth says:

      Thank you sir for a well written and detailed post. I read it twice to get the full meaning. I would say 90% of the girls here want Christian Grey with a few thousand a month. If you are in your 60s, they still may be interested but will want over $5000 a month. I highly doubt that any girl is getting over $3000 a month in my area but read stories of girls in NYC or LA receiving higher amounts so the should also.

      • Anonymous says:

        It is a bit irrelevant what “the girls” want. I want a palace. After I looked at the couple of palaces, I realized it is out of my reach and got a condo. I need to live somewhere. If she needs money and wants 5k and no one offers her 5k, she will agree to 1k.

      • SDinChicago says:

        Why would the SBs in your area be any different than Chicago? Why would women in NYC or LA be different?

        Look, I will be candid. I think you are selling yourself short. You can do what 99 out of 100 men cannot do – demonstrate wealth. With that comes experience, emotional intelligence, and above all, confidence. It shows up constantly in your professional life. Just let it spill over into the sugar world.

        This may or may not be relevant to you, but I know that in myself there is a natural inclination to revert to the 26 year old geek I was 40 years ago whenever I am with a 26 year old beautiful woman. But I discovered the 26 year old is not interested in her 26 year old peers. She is interested in me. How did I get to be — experienced, emotionally intelligent, confident, and wealthy.

      • Rick says:

        I’ve been very happy with lovely college coeds for $1000 a month. Arrangements lasting 6-18 months. I’m over 60, but polite, respectful and keep my word. If you want 5k, but no one offers you more that 1k, you either quit or you accept what the market dictates.

    • Anonymous says:

      Excellent info and advice, SDinChicago.

    • Bella Pheonix says:

      Hey there!

      I just finished reading a comment posted by SDinChicago, and honestly this is the most refreshing, honest, and well thought out post. A lot of SD’s don’t seem to realize that for most of us (especially the ones over 30) want more of a package deal. It is hard, I get it. Women really don’t want to be treated like or feel like a piece of meat and Men don’t want the only interest to be their wallet.

      I would like to talk to this “SDinChicago”… OR Any other SD that thinks like this. Feel free to look at my profile and if I strike your fancy send me a message. (Bella Pheonix in Portland Oregon).

      On the flip side, if you want to ask me candid questions and want a non BS response from a woman feel free to contact me. Just being friends is always an option.

    • Anonymous says:

      Well this is the most honest post, very informative and grown up. From an European perspective (French lady living in London) I see it as a relationship which allows you to have friendship with sex. There is an understanding that you will help the other side financially. This is why people meet here and not in Tinder (or somewhere else). It means maturity from both side. Nothing last forever, but friendship can.

    • Maddie228 says:

      Hello SDinChicago – how can I contact you?

    • Sophia says:

      This post is very helpful. I’m enlightened . I’m in my 40’s mid divorce. I look young for my age, great body and I take care of myself.
      I’m going through a divorce and my X has been making finances very hard for me. I’m a Pilates instructor and don’t make much on my own . I have kids and 50% of time I’m free. My marriage didn’t include great sex. So that would be part of my package as well as travel, dinners and since my X threw away most of my wardrobe I’m wanting to shop. I appreciate this advice. I’ve had a lot of interest from younger and older men . I’m not sure how to propose my package I’d require. Do most SB s put it up front in their profile?

    • Jay says:

      I’m cool with all of this except for the exclusivity part, and that’s primarily for health reasons and scheduling. I usually encourage the younger girls to date guys their own age but to practice safe sex if they do. Also, as far as another SD, I tell them up front that I don’t want to compete for her time and attention and she shouldn’t have to compete for my time and money. If they agree, fine. It has worked pretty well so far. If they don’t, then adios.

  35. Anonymous says:

    I got this message from a “SB”; Can you please advice how I should proceed?

    “Hey sweetie. As I am new to this site and a bit overwhelmed by all the messages and offers, I think I’d like to ask for an up front western union or money gram payment to be sure you are real and who you actually say you are. If this is ok with you, we can work something out ASAP. Please let me know.”

    • Dr. Evil says:

      It’s a scam. Block her now. Or if you want to scare “her” say you work for the FBI and you traced her IP address and the police will find you.

      • Anonymous says:

        Great idea. Ask her all the details (her name etc) and give her a fake WU control number. Once she is trying to get the money and cannot – she will text you. Then tell her the above.

    • Anonymous says:

      if you ever been to WU, you’d realise that rich people usually are never around areas with WU, thats usually the poor people way to transfer money, rich and well off people use things call wired transfers or checks. And like everyone else said, thats a scam, just block her ass

    • Anonymous says:

      that’s hilarious because we all know wu and money gram aren’t exactly the types of institution people with money will generally use to make transactions. Btw if you haven’t figured it out its scam, never pay upfront, especially without meeting the person

    • oceaniaswimmer says:

      Please do not send her a wire gram, or money order. Scams, you will never meet her
      and this is from a woman, drop her now

  36. Anonymous says:

    I met a pot SD for dinner last night. he seemed super nice, a good conversationalist, a great sense of humor, etc. I am in my early 20’s and he is in his early 40’s. I have never done this before and ever since I joined the site I was getting this weird vibe, not to mention creepy messages. But I bit the bullet and decided to meet him, as he never suggested to meet at a hotel or some private residence and just seemed like he was a genuine guy seeking for connection. He seems very upfront and honest. He did mention he wants a physical relationship, which I am fine with, was never pushy and he told me he wanted to see me a few more times.

    We did discuss the ball park allowance but since this is a touchy topic, how and when should I bring this up? I have heard before the “arrangement” starts when we have sex but I don’t want this to be too transactional and I really don’t want to send the wrong message. He did mention he is looking for NSA but definitely wants romance in the relationship. He messaged me and thanked for my time. We never set any specific plans so I guess I will wait for him to message me.


    • Anonymous says:

      I suggest bringing it up on the second date if you feel that their a connection and that it would work it. Nothing worst then been in the relationship and not know exactly how the arrangement going to work, that will lead to misunderstandings and problems in the futur

    • immortal walker says:

      If you already discussed a ball park figure, that is great. The moment he wants to see you at a hotel, you ask him, politely but clearly, hey, that is great, I also can’t wait to meet you but we need to clarify about the allowance. If you want a per meeting allowance while we develop more trust, that is fine. How much are you offering?
      If he insist on you telling him first, then be prepared with a figure already in mind that you can live by, and be prepared please with a figure that will be your ultimate minimum, in case negotiations start. Be clear as to what you expect, and what you can offer right from the start, and include a clause, if the situation changes, we need to talk again to either renegotiate or halt, depending on circumstances. If everything goes fine, great, have a great romance the two of you and best of luck!

  37. The Truth says:

    So you don’t want to have sex correct? But if he pays MORE MONEY then you are ok with it?

  38. Ally says:

    I’ve never been offered hourly rates or anything of the sort (and maybe that’s just because of what I’ve written on my profile) but I very rarely get contacted by serious SDies either. Does anyone have any tips for me?

    • Anonymous says:

      You have to define “serious SD” better.
      If by serious SD you mean someone who will offer you $500 for a platonic lunch, well… here is the answer.

  39. Anonymous says:

    Everyone understands that being a sugarbaby is still considered sex work, right? I mean…you all are on the same page correct? Let’s not pretend it is anything else than what it is. compensation in form of monetary goods, money and housing in exchange for sexual favors is the actual legal definition of prostitution. There is no shame in this! All hail the thot! However a lot of you blokes seem to have a hard time with the notion. If you can not wrap your head around the nature of the beast, then don’t engage in it. But definitely don’t shame others for what they know they are worth, or others still on what they are willing to pay…you’re part of this whole game too. You’re not outside the lines. Some of you men are cheap and have the nerve to be picky too! Some of you are generous. In there lies the difference between a trick, and a benefactor. The only thing that differentiates an escort to a sugarbaby; is that escorts are paid for their shorter time commitments (hourly, daily) and sugarbabes receive an allowance for days, weeks, months up front. Certainly the majority of women on this site would not consider themselves “escorts” but legally speaking….it is what it is. I don’t care what the ladies consider themselves, I support this notion to be compensated for companionship in and of itself entirely. Do you!

    To be exclusively available to someone, I expect an allowance in the 15-40k range per month. In 10 years I have had 2 benefactors provide me with this. I pay taxes on all my income, except for what I ask for in gold investments and cash, the rest filters through my business LLC. So this method is what works for me and my ambitions, and the gents who are seeking to know me. This is a rare beast that has this type of disposable income, and the desire for this type of lifestyle. Style of living = lifestyle. Paying for sex once or twice a week is not a lifestyle, that’s called basic human desire and some extra pocket change. There are websites for that too.

    Play safe friends…

    • Anonymous says:

      I think the SDs are lowballing you. I am surprised you only get $15-40k a month. Demand more — you know your worth!

      • Anonymous says:

        @Anonymous 12:51

        People like you are the reason the blog looks like a suicide. You only care about money and relationships have become a digital screen that you no longer equate to a heartbeat. Good to know you are a dying breed.

      • The Truth says:


      • Dr. Evil says:

        “Only $15,000 to $40,000 per month? You are being treated like a low rent dirty street hooker who needs a cheap fix. Mini-Me and I pay per month our sugar babies 100 BILLION DOLLARS.”
        ~~~Dr. Evil

    • Anonymous says:

      15k-40k a month that comes down to 180k to 480k a year or a salary of about 360k to 960k a year pre tax

      • Anonymous says:

        She is one of the Dan Bilzerian’s babies. Top 5 for sure.

      • Anonymous says:

        Only…..If dude gives up 1/2 his income. Who does that? How much would he earn? More like 1.5mil and up, sorry lady, those guys don’t play here. They hire someone to find what they want and are not trolling around here, don’t be stupid. Some rich guys are dumb, but they won’t be rich for long.

    • Anonymous says:

      Just another delusional imbecile that has “demands”…Move on people, move on…nothing to see here.

    • Anonymous says:

      so…… in ten years you have $80k which would be $8k a year($666.66 a month). Good job moron.

    • Anonymous says:

      Yeah right lol

    • Ashley says:

      Thank you!! And God bless you for explaining to these undervaluing cheapskates. They’re not real SD’s -they’re JOHNS. Recently relocated to east coast from west coast. What a difference in the mentality!! East coast only knows how to pay for sex. West coast spoils you because you’re a unique creature and they recognize and appreciate this -they are collectors of what others cannot have. Sex is a “perk” and never expected. It’s never because of the money, it’s because he doesn’t want me to have to worry about anything in life -that alone is so sexy to me and can make me crazy hot for him. Nothing more unsexy is a damn “bargain hunter.”

  40. Anonymous says:

    $10k monthly

  41. Betza says:

    Hi there fellow SD and SB,

    What if your living and transporting situations are not the best? How do you tell your SD you can’t host him or travel to him without getting shut down completely? Is anyone here going or went through something like that? Also I am a little on the heavy side and I feel like competing with all these models and SD’s won’t take me serious. Help!!

    • Anonymous says:

      The ones that are not on the heavy side often are airheads, so I am sure there is a SD who will appreciate you for who you are!

    • Lola says:

      Dear if you do not feel comfortable with yourself , why do you think someone else should?
      go out there and slim run if you can and check on youtube a lot of natural drinks now to help burn the fat quicker.Like for example in the morning you can drink warm water with lemon.every morning in an empty stomach that’s is an old grand-maa recipe.if you have green tea add it there wait 4 min and drink it with one fresh lemon juice.instead of complaining act.
      i am curvy too and i am losing a lot of weight with that said a lot of ”athletic”SD must drink these fat burner drinks as well their stomach aren’t eyecandy

    • Anonymous says:

      If you can’t host, just tell them that. If they can’t host they will certainly tell you without worry. When neither party can host you just have to get creative. Hotels, offices (especially on the weekends or after hours), a little “slap & tickle” in the car. Makes it more fun that way honestly.

  42. Michelle says:

    Determining an allowance…

    For me, I’ve been on this site for almost 2 years on and off. I’ve been looking for the right “SD” to help me with a career and dreams I’ve had since I was a young girl. Traveling has always been a passion of mine. With 0 luck on this site so far
    Well I read an article on an SB who was extremely ambitious (like myself), and with the generosity of many SDs, she was able to accomplish her dreams on her own. Determining an amount was one of the biggest issues I had when trying to find the right match. I never wanted it to be too much, or too little….. but mentor time was just as important to me as the money. This is what I decided to turn to for all those SDs that want to help, yet don’t have the time to put into for mentoring.

    • yougottabekiddingme says:

      “and with the generosity of many SDs, she was able to accomplish her dreams on her own.”

      well…on her own with the generosity of many SDs, of course 😉

    • Lola says:

      Dear ask how many ladies really found serious sugardaddy here this site is a joke move to Sugarmeet and pay you will see.Pay for 3 months and be patient not for more than a year with no results.

    • Dr. Evil says:

      I offer to mentor and guide my potential sugar babies but they only care about the money, money, money.

    • hello world says:

      michelle, find me ‘a proper man’ in antibes on SA. if your career goals are in line with what i have expertise in, i will mentor you through email and Skype if you want.

      your move.

  43. InternationalStudent says:

    When I first came into the bowl I was offered $250 a meet. To a new baby I found this intriguing that someone would offer me $250 to spend a couple hours with them. I now am offered $1,500 biweekly with the extra perks of shopping, bills being taken care of, and other frivolous things.

    • Anonymous says:

      So what does that translate to per meet? I had a SD who paid me $400 per meet, and he was really good in sheets so complaints here. Just drinks and a movie at his place and sex.

    • Anonymous says:

      Sure, darling.
      “offered” is a key word here. Once you say “Oh yes, yes yes, pleeeeeease!”, they disappear. But you have been offered. So now you can run yo the blog, tumblr, Instagram and impress all of us with why you have been “offered”.

      • Anonymously says:

        Sounds bitterish ^^^ with an exclamation point. Hummmm.

        I used to work on a farm. The hired hand always said “Don’t count them there chickens before they hatch, You Hear?”

        I used to think he was a fool left out in the heat of the day for waaayyy too long. Come to find out, he knew what he was talk’in about. My father used to rephrase it and say “sh-t in one hand and wish in the other, you let me know which hand fills up the faster.” Both outlooks are unwanted insights to another’s belief that is not your own. Good news, you can be what ever you want to be. Find a new bey and the whole dynamics change with the fluttering of eyelashes.

      • yougottabekiddingme says:

        I used to work on a farm. The hired hand always said, “Don’t count them there chickens before they hatch, You Hear?”

        circa 1942

    • The Truth says:


  44. anonymously says:

    How to deal with your SD if he has special requirements with the intimacy, we just start, and his requirement is obvious not what I can do

    • anonymously says:

      ps. I talked to him I’m not into his interested, he’s disappointed and try to posh me try it. He’s great beside this issue, should I ask more allowance if I try his proposal? Bc it’s a challenge to me to try this things

      • Randi says:

        It depends… Is this something that makes you feel unsafe?
        Fellow SB here.
        If it’s just something a little kinky that you’ve never tried before, then do it (and maybe ask for a couple more bucks). Part of being an SB is indulging your Daddy and his desires… Nothing wrong with expanding your horizons hike pleasing Daddy!
        HOWEVER if it’s something that makes you feel unsafe in any way, say no. No real Daddy will push you into making you feel uncomfortable. And personally, no amount of money in the world is worth compromising something that I don’t feel safe/comfortable doing.

      • Lola says:

        depends on what it is just say it it s anonymous no one knows who you are what is he asking?i think he should have been clear from the begginning. He wanted to trick you and already knows once you accept his agreement he will come with that.

    • anonymously says:

      I’m ok with that if he wants me to do it to him, but vice verse, you know what I mean? It’s painful

    • anonymously says:

      No, but opposite

    • Dr. Evil says:

      Don’t do it. Just work at McDs.

  45. Anonymous says:

    As an SD, I’m finding it great that when I meet with my potential SB’s they have said that since I’m so good looking their ask for just a few hundred a month (the most was 600). My first SB I encountered said she’s just fine with us fking, no money require.
    Good times.

    • Anonymous says:

      Yeah, first they ask for money, but when they meet you and find out that you are not an old, boring slob who is drowning in self-pity and wants the girl to move in with them, they get all excited about jumping in bed with you. Had few of those myself.

    • The Truth says:


  46. Anonymous says:

    I Miss my ex SD. He was erotic and sexy as hell that catered to me as I did him. Fu$(, he was fine as they come.

    • Anonymous says:

      When you find a female that willingly says “whatever you want daddy” and it’s based more off of his sexual dynamic and exhilarating performance of ambiance and less on the money and then he still pays, is when a female falls in love. she fell for his arobatic attributes before he even laid the green down. He is a keeper and so is he.

      If you are out there, I am sending s.o.s. Signals to the best sex of my life to date. 😉

  47. Anonymous says:

    Blah, blah, blAh, I blocked again. Thank His it is not from any. I versatile that is ever registered here. Lmao.

    No, I ain’t exactly what your used to. But, you’ll be thinking about me all night. I think I love that. <3

  48. Anonymous says:

    I’m a new 37 year old SD on here. Was just curious if babies, in general, prefer older daddies. I contacted two babies and they replied saying they prefer 50 +
    Am I viewed as less reliable or serious?

    • Anonymous says:

      Yes, older daddies are more serious and generous about allowance. Younger ones offer lower and sometimes con women for free sex.

    • InternationalStudent says:

      I think most babies believe that the older the man the more money he has (which is a fair assumption if he started his career young), which is quite unfortunate. It’s also the quality of men, the older man treats her with more respect than that of younger men who have women falling head over heels over them. In reality babies will put aside looks and age for more money and a better quality of life. As for myself, I prefer someone who I can have natural chemistry with and is also relatable. I want someone who is younger, but not so young where he hasn’t experienced life and can’t give me insight. We are all here for a reason, some want a bigger payout than others and are willing to look past young daddies.

    • Anonymous says:

      Yes a lot of you young “SDs” tend to think they don’t have to pay and that dinner and your fine company should be enough because you’re saying us from having to sleep with “icky” old men.

      • Anonymous says:

        I am so glad someone else has said this! I tried explaining this to a young SD and he said I should think myself grateful that I wouldn’t have to sleep with older men if I accepted his terrible offer. He was a horrible person..

      • Dr. Evil says:

        So it’s just that a younger SD offers less than some old grandpa that makes him a con, terrible, horrible person? But if he raises his rates to pay the same as old grandpa, then the negativity goes away? You are basically saying your vagina is for sale on eBay, the highest bidder wins…..

      • Anonymous says:

        The internet has that. Just say no and move on. No big deal.

    • Katie says:

      @ 37yo SD, I actually state on my profile I prefer men 45+ there are a few reasons. Often younger guys think they are so studly and cool that just being with them is it’s own reward and no allowance is needed. Plus they tend to be a lot more clingy as time goes on. Not to mention they tend to be more demanding and controlling. Of course there are exceptions to every rule, but if every time I order Chinese food I get sick, why would I keep ordering it???

      • Anonymous says:

        @Katie, I don’t know about others, but when I am done having a good time with the baby, I want her to be OUT, PRONTO! It’s usually the babies who are clingy and often I have to cut them off as they become a huge nuisance.

      • InternationalStudent says:

        There it is. It’s because babies are treated like a piece of ass is why they also choose the older man (referring back to my original comment.) This relationship is about respect and enjoying each other’s company. I get flown to Orlando every other weekend, get picked up by a private car, and meet my daddy at one of his luxury hotels. I get to go shopping, go to the amusement park, museums, exhibits, tour I-drive, and at the end of all of that sometimes I leave without sleeping with him. He genuinely wants to take care of me, he wants me to feel safe and secure. The thing is, I appreciate that he treats me like a human being, so I take care of his needs as well. I don’t want to feel like a hooker at the end of the day.

      • Rick says:

        If all you want is sex and then get her out, you’re really just looking for an escort. Someone once said. “you pay an escort to leave, you pay a sugar baby to stay”..

    • Anonymos says:

      I would doubt anyone under 50 would have the resources and the correct attitude. I am here for a great allowance 😉

      • Anonymous says:

        I make $250,000, I can afford to take care of a baby who is reasonable. I don’t know what you consider “great” but you better be in top shape.

      • Anonymous says:

        Soooooo you won’t be giving her the 10k a month required around here I guess?

    • Anonymous says:

      @anon who called me a loser: I am here because I don’t want a traditional relationship where I have to court a woman who after sex most likely becomes clingy and dramatic. Does that answer your question?

    • Allie says:

      I am newer to the SB lifestyle, but I don’t find age being an issue

    • Sweet SB says:

      I usually screen out anyone under 45. Te under 40 usually tend to just use this site to lie to try to get one night hook ups – not to say the older don’t. Usualy around 50, married, bored with their home life work out best because they have a real reason to look for excitement but also don’t want to just plow through a ton of young girls. The poor behavior, lying and scammers on this site has caused most of us real deal gals and gents to become jaded and cautious.

      My advice is to be upfront with your reasons for being here, and what your willing to provide and what you want in return. Offer to pay for the lunch meeting to show your real. I never ask someone to pay me to go for a coffee the first time. I like to determine attraction first. However, after I take time out of my schedule, pay for parking etc. five BS dates later – this site can become expensive and a waste of time when I’m looking for the opposite. If someone made a small offer to meet for a lunch purely to judge attraction and chemistry I’d take him a lot more seriously. You may waste your time this way with someone wanting to get paid for a one time lunch – but you also won’t miss out on the ones screening you out because they don’t’ take you seriously.

      • Anonymous says:

        Make then come to you at your convenience so that it won’t impact you.
        “Pay to meet” tells me you are desperate. I will pick up all expenses but nothing more just to meet and see that your pictures are not representative. Just the other side of that thought….

      • Anonymous says:

        ” Usualy around 50, married, bored with their home life work out best because they have a real reason to look for excitement but also don’t want to just plow through a ton of young girls.”

        This is basically the reason I screen anyone under 45 as well.

        Additionally, men hit a sweet spot between their late 40s & early 50s. Call it a midlife crisis or what have you. They still have plenty of sexual energy, but it has mellowed. They have experience behind them & realize that pleasing a woman can be just as enjoyable as pleasing themselves. I have never run into a man in his 50s that is a “2 stroke” like I have with the ones in their 30s.

        And frankly, I’d like the date to last longer than it took for me to get ready for it.

  49. Anonymous says:

    my last SD payed me 500 for an hour long massage/hand job and 2000 for sex so you cheap ass guys wanting to pay 400 for sex need to get it together. This is our bodies and the fact that you guys are basically discussing what price tag to put on women is gross.

    • Anonymous says:

      Well, your SD was a loser

      • Erika91 says:

        Reading these comments, I’ve noticed many of the guys replying/commenting seem to be angry or offended when an SB says that she receives a high monthly allowance/high $ offers per meet. Can one of you guys please tell me why you find that so irritating?
        And why does it irritate you guys to the point that you get your boxers in a twist and resort to calling her a liar, or calling the Daddy a fool?
        If a Baby doesn’t want to settle for $250 per meet (just for example) and can get more elsewhere, good for her! How is this a bad thing for you? It’s not as if she’s asking for your money. If you guys don’t want to spend that, that’s fine too. To each their own.
        I know you guys don’t want to hear this, but there ARE many gentlemen out there who will pay a Baby that he cares for very generously. I’m an SB who has had 2 wonderful long-term arrangements (I won’t bother spilling the details, because the angry boys here will either call me a liar, or call my Daddies idiots).
        Anyway… I was just hoping someone could clarify all the anger.

      • Anonymous says:

        My issue, as a SD, isn’t with the SB who brags about getting paid for whatever she does with her SD. My issue is when they promote this as the norm for everyone. My issue is when they feel their age and looks (from whatever distorted mirror they’re used to gazing through) ‘deserve’ an hourly rate. A REAL SD doesn’t calculate by the hour, that’s a John.

        Whenever a SB replies to a message with an hourly calculation, I report them. I encourage any other SD to do the same. I actually even encourage all the SB to report the SD who offers an hourly rate. If we want this to be a SUGAR site, we need to lose the hourly profiles on both sides of the arrangement!

      • Anonymous says:

        ^^^ Well said. Not Anger at the SBs except that one liar.
        She distorts the norm and makes it more difficult to make a deal. Now I have to wait a few months for my potential to find out she can’t get 10k and come back to earth. It is an open market, take your best deal. But now my generous offer is an insult vs the fantasy she has placed.

    • Guest says:

      I think you just mentioned your own pricetags.. ? Why blame somebody else for it? Afterall you have a price tag no matter who you are if you are on the site isnt it?

    • Anonymous says:

      We already know what price tag you proudly put on “the gross”

      2000 and 400 are both price tags.

    • Anonymous says:

      i have never heard of a SD paying a SB by the hour, if he is going to do that he should have just gotten a pro`

    • Anonymous says:

      If your SD is paying you by the hour, he is a John (not an SD) and you are an escort (not an SB).

    • Dr. Evil says:

      So if he pays $2000, he is a God…..if he pays less than that, he is “gross”?

    • Too says:

      I think you just put a price tag on yourself, no?

  50. Anonymous says:

    Asking for feedback:
    My new job involves a lot of long-term travel, where I stay in one spot for 1-4 months and it’d be nice to have a SB while I’m in town.
    I’m assuming a PPM setup will work best for most SBs, but curious if anyone recommends another setup?

  51. Anonymous says:

    Dang… I got banned for one nasty comment. R u for real? How often out of the “clan”…have I ever been nasty? Oh gee, like very few ever unless it was subjected as the norm and I volunteered reciprocal intervention..since, it appeared
    What you was
    Solicited. For real? The nicest, cheesiest,
    Person that is heart string and love oriented is banned? Then,
    My missi apparently needs
    To convert to “player” motif asap. Thank you for the awakening. Of being a good girl serves no intention of ground.

    • Anonymous says:

      I was going to offer my view after my nasty comment in apologies to offer an apologetic: YouTube: Ain’t no man” by the Avett brothers (official video), at least allow me an appogy, please…

  52. Anonymous says:

    I live at the top of the stairs. How good are your calf muscles? Lol

  53. anonymously says:

    How should I determine an allowance if my SD wants me to stay overnight?

    • Rick says:

      I feel like an occasional sleep over is part of the deal, and has been in most of my arrangements. Needless to say you need to treat your SB right to get these rewards.

  54. Anonymous says:

    I’m wondering if someone will *KINDLY* give constructive criticism for my profile. I’ve been in really good arrangements before, but recently it seems something is amiss. Maybe the bowl is tarnished, or maybe I’m really just not as pretty as I thought I was haha!

  55. Anonymous says:

    So, maybe I’m stupid, but as being a SB, I’ve seen PLENTY of men come with offers of $400-$600 A DAY. and maybe this is stupid too, but yes. Agreeing with the woman above, all of you men want to look awesome, with your net worth, and find a woman crazy when she asks for a hefty amount. I get offered a hefty amount asking isn’t in my book. So if you’re a true MAN, AND SD. you’re not going to treat your sugar baby like a prostitute, in making almost $20,000 in the SB lifestyle, I have zero issues. You all must be screwin the wrong broad!

  56. Anonymous says:

    31-32 year old’s with kids asking for 400-500 per meet. Where do you guys find these 200-300 dollar meets with young coeds?? Is this happening in places where there are huge universities (columbus, ny, boston) Do you just negotiate this down or what?
    or are these just not so good looking sugar babies? :/

    • Ella says:

      In my experience, it depends on the daddy. I tend to ask more from more repulsive guys to overlook their personality and continue to be their sweet little baby who never back talks them. I ask more if you’re not bringing me to a 5 star restaurant because it’s assurance you do in fact have the funds you’re claiming to have. Really, I’m not sure where SD’s get this idea that all SB’s are the same but really, it’s about location (I ask for less because where I live it’s pretty cheap to live) and your personality.

  57. Anonymous says:

    This is a joke? Generosity is the Name of the game? The Competition is not that fierce at all, and there a plenty of information groups and boards outlining what different girls will accept and consider fair. When you are a handsome fit man that is fun to be with you do not have to throw around a ton of money to find a fun girl to have intimate times with.

    • Anonymous says:

      Well, I am 40, in good shape, 6’2″, pretty athletic. I have had situations before where a sugar baby would meet up and we would end up having sex for free basically, but there a lot who won’t go lower than $400-$500.

      Minorities are more reasonable. I am not racist but I like what I like and these are 22-28 year old white, attractive females who are in good shape.

      • Anonymous says:

        The closest to absolutely free was 100 -150, but that is atypical. The standard is about 250-350. I am only talking cream of the crop, pretty college women. So when a women who is “40, but looking 25” claims to be getting 450… I think she is off by a couple of hundred at least…

      • SB says:

        I have no motive to exaggerate $ amounts. (you are way off, $450 is far under what I’ve received) After reading the posts, I was feeling very lucky, but then got to thinking about my “luck” I realize it’s what you make of it… I have known the entire time I have more to offer & that’s why I’m connecting w/ the men who also have more to offer, beyond $. You will never get anyone w/ substance if you are one of the guys whose mentality is “I got me $250-$350 let’s see how young and hot I can get laid”. You will get a mindless lay for your $, & she may be hot or an age that makes you feel like you’re a big deal, more power to you. However, when asking about how to “determining allowances”, understand you get what you pay for. “crème of the crop” for bottom $? Anyone with intelligence is going to understand how supply & demand works, & there’s an element missing to your “cream of the crop”. The element is most likely a brain, or at least a brain that sincerely interested in a guy who’s picking their SB by $ amounts. If you want a quickie, there are those girls. Nothing wrong with 2 adults making their own choices, to each their own. If you want a girl who blows your mind on every level, those girls are rare & will be extremely selective about the men they will spend time with. It comes down to what you want, like anything, you get what you pay for. Side note: If you meet a girl that you assume is mid 20’s, looks mid 20’s, and have a great time. You find out later she is 40, that doesn’t change the time you had. The girl still looks the same as she did before you focused on a number. If you then feel different about your time together, then that is an issue within yourself. I suggest you don’t ever really look into the ages of these “cream of the crop” girls, unless you want to be ticked when you find out she adjusted her real age. Most likely a man who is so focused on age or $, vs. a real connection, is probably insecure about their own age to where they are actually 10-20 years older than they have listed. #truestory
        Best of luck to everyone, common sense will take you a long way on this site.

      • Anonymous says:

        Thank you for the lesson on “common sense”: you get what you pay for except for when she lies to you (age is only one example).

        Common sense indicates your advice on “common sense” is worth exactly what I’m paying for it: ZERO!

    • Anonymous says:

      Are you in a big metropolitan city? The 18-22 age group where I am (we have no major universities here, just one commuter school and this is a bible belt) are mostly not even serious about meeting up.

      Do you usually offer them what you are willing to pay in the message or you discuss this in person? Many won’t even reply if I don’t answer “how much”

      • Anonymous says:

        If the conversation divulges to “how much” you’re outside sugar, IMHO.

        Allowance should be addressed at or after a first meeting.

        My standard is, if she asks what I typically consider an allowance (don’t do p2p), I’ll tell her that’s mentioned in my profile, as are my expectations for what I receive in return for my allowance. If she gets pushy about a dollar amount before we meet, I get pushy with what she’s willing to do for it. Turnabout is fair play. If she’s willing to talk money, but not sex, she’s not worth the first meeting.

        I also think that talking allowance, rather than per meet/date/whatever will open the SB up quicker than anything. If she feels like it’s a transaction, you’ll feel like it’s a transaction (and it’s not really sugar anymore).

        Once I had a SB push on dollar amount. I asked about sexual activity. She said, “whatever you want hun” I said, “I can get that for $150 any time I want it already, and feel confident about discretion. Really, what do I get from this arrangement?” When she couldn’t come up with anything buy “hun” in the message, it was easy to spot her as the hourly girl.

    • The Truth says:

      The truth

    • Dr. Evil says:

      Best statement of the blog.^^^^^^^

  58. Mr.1010 says:

    My opening offer is always $500. 95% of the girls in my area including super hot college girls are really happy with that. For the other 5% I will gladly go up to $1000 or whatever if they are world class, stop traffic bodies. But I’ve had girls who looked like Victoria Secret models for $500.
    The supply has become so overwhelming in the last couple years. Very hot girls are literally standing in line looking for a daddy.

    • Anonymous says:

      That is why I call stories “he gave me 2000 to go to dinner with him” total BS. Any man, even the total newb just joined, will figure out in the first five minutes what the score is…

      • InternationalStudent says:

        Not totally, I was given $1,500 for a casual meet and greet. I was upfront on my first meet, I told him I will not have sex or any type of sexual behaviors. He agreed, and we secured our deal with the cash. He’s a lot more kind than most men on here, and I make sure to go over and beyond for him.

      • Anonymous says:

        And he flew in on his magic carpet as well I’m sure. Noone in their right mind – no matter how rich they are – will pay 1500 just to look at some girls face. Get a grip and/or stop smoking what you’re smoking.

    • Doc Austin says:

      For sure $500 will get you a 95% positive response, I get 70-80% with an offer of $250 and have never found the need to go higher.

      • Anonymous says:

        @doc Austin – that sounds awesome! You can cover 70-80% with $250?

        400-500 is what they are asking here, and many are not even that hot. 30+ with kids, etc …

        What age range is this, and what ethnicity? Are you in a big metro city with a large co-ed presence?

    • Anonymous says:

      You mind sharing what area are you in? You have to be in a big city or some town with a huge college population. I am in Charlotte, NC and I think due to the presence of many wealthy bankers and the shortage of hot and independent coeds, the market is not very favorable for SD’s.

      I tend to get more replies from places like Raleigh (3 major universities) and Charleston, SC (College of Charleston which is 70% women – hot and smart.)

      And I have a few friends who are on SA from the area and they have consistently flown in girls from places like Boston, Miami and NYC so I am left with the impression that some cities just are not ideal for SD’s

      • Anonymous says:

        In Chicago the going rate for moderate looking escorts is $300 an hour. I’d suggest any SD or SB who is serious start by doing some light online research to find out the value of their “competition”.

        Frankly, if you want 1 hour of sex, start at the going rate for pros in your area. If you want more: texts, personalized photos, someone who actually remembers your grandkids names & can hold an intelligent conversation about the situation in Gibraltar, expect to pay more.

        SDs who offer less than their area’s going rate are insulting SBs by putting them lower on the totem pole than anonymous pros. SBs who accept less are insulting SDs by claiming to be babies when they are really just discount escorts.

      • Anonymous says:

        I am in Raleigh, and ironically, my long term steady SB is in Charlotte. I only see her a few times a month. There are three large universities here and several small to medium ones. There is an endless supply of SBs that will eff your brains out for dinner, drinks and a couple of hundred dollars. There is a two-girl team here (both 21, super hot and fit) that will hangout with me for an evening (dinner, drinks, etc) and then have uninhibited sex — total cost $200 a piece plus entertainment. We get together about once a month.

      • Anonymous says:

        @anonymous from Raleigh: I believe you. But from my personal experience here in Charlotte, I’ve been having terrible luck with young girls to even meet for lunch or coffee in Charlotte (granted many are newbies who are probably afraid.)

        I am a fairly decent looking guy, make a decent salary too. I am not sure whether it’s due to the fact that I am young SD (late 30’s) or the supply of uninhibited girls is small. Do you usually extend your offer in your first message?

        I have more luck with single mothers, strippers, minorities …

      • Anonymous says:

        I haven’t had much luck in Charlotte either. Not sure what is going on there. A lot of last minute cancels there. I attributed it to me being from out of town.

        For reference, I am late 40s, fit and reasonably attractive. Most aren’t looking for a hot guy, just some guy they don’t have to wear “beer goggles” to stomach hanging out with.

        I definitely don’t put the offer out in the first contact. It takes a bit of work to get the attractive college women to meet. I would say about 20 emails, then move to text (about 50 to 100 text messages), then a phone call, and then a meet and greet. If you get that far (many will ghost along the way), many will accept what I consider a reasonable offer. They are mainly looking for some fun, some financial assistance, and someone that treats them with respect. It takes more work, but the investment pays off. I would say it takes about 50 emails to find one good reasonable SB.

      • Anonymous says:

        20 emails to each sb, or 20 different sb’s? 20 emails and 100 texts to one person seem like a lot of work. I was just talking to a friend in Boston, and he claims he can meet a hot coed within 2-3 days of contacting her. I guess women up there are less risk averse/and more down to have fun!

      • Anonymous says:

        I just hit up a duo (21 and 29) form Raleigh, they came back with 1200 for both. I guess I am talking to the wrong duo. 200 a piece sounds like a steal LOL. I am just not finding the right ones I guess.

      • Anonymous says:

        Not for each one — as I said, many will ghost along the way – reading comprehension challenged?

      • Anonymous says:

        Thanks. Yeah, that makes sense. There is one in her early 30’s, she straight up told me wants $500 (donation) for each meet. But she is from DC so I think she thinks in terms of DC prices. I thought it’s kind of high. Do you ever meet in person and then negotiate it down. I would think when you meet someone in person and establish rapport, quite a few would be willing to compromise.

      • Anonymous says:

        Yeah — the duo in Raleigh that I am seeing hasn’t logged on in a long time — I know the 21 and 29 duo that you are talking about — avoid them like the plague. They are a couple of escorts that are pretending to be SBs. They have been the same age for the last 3-4 years…… for some reasons, a lot of SBs stop aging at 29.

      • yougottabekiddingme says:

        50-100 texts before a phone call?

        Adios, senor.

      • Anonymous says:

        I am all for an earlier phone call — you mention having a phone call earlier than that, and a lot of the coeds will ghost. Maybe it is just my area 🙂

  59. Anonymous says:

    A SB says:
    “i dont mean to be rude or anything,…but you make 2 million and you want to pay me 350 per meeting?”
    note: 2 Mil is my net worth. And what does this or my salary have to do with what I am willing to pay? If I changed my salary to 25,000 a year, I wonder if she would sleep with me for $100

    • Lola says:

      why didn t you tell her that even that net worth is fake and you set-it up to make sure ladies will want to meet you.Men stop lying real sugar daddies are fair enough when it comes to allowances trust me

      • Anonymous says:

        For $350 a meet, there is an unlimited supply of SBs in my area. I guess I could pay more, but I have always paid for things based upon market rate, not what I can afford to pay. I am going to Chic Fil A for lunch today — I am going to tell them to charge me $50 for my sandwich because I can easily pay that. It will be interesting to see their reaction.

      • Anonymous says:

        For 350/date I can count on 85% of SBs in my area. For 450 I can count on 95%. The remaining 5% are either platonic or delusional.

    • Katie says:

      I just assumed most guys put down fake net worth and income, not always to deceive but its very personal info to putting out in public.

      Plus not sure what net worth has to do with anything, just because a guy is worth 2 or 5 or whatever million it’s not like that is liquid cash laying around he burns through. It’s likely in property or investments, etc…

      As for salary, girls really need to learn the difference between salary and net income.. taxes are just the beginning… they have to pay for their lifestyle first….so if a guy making 250k a year nets say 190 to 200k for the sake of argument that’s about 8300 a month in take home. Pay a mortgage, couple of car payments ALL the other expenses in their life, more so if they have family… even if he’s left with 3 or 4k (example numbers only) who’s to say he’s going to blow all of that on a SB? Geesh he didn’t get a multi million net worth by wasting disposable cash…girls gotta wake up and educate themselves.

      • Anonymous says:

        @Katie — with logic and understanding like that, you will be accused of being a man.

        You are absolutely correct. Most men don’t put up their true net worth and income. Also, there is not much correlation between net worth-income and generosity.

      • Anonymous says:

        That is bc it is a man with a poor imagination and horrible skill at pretending to be a woman and ‘SD’

      • Anonymous says:

        bitter much?

    • Anonymous says:

      I’m the Original Poster:
      For the Anon @5:50am and @6:48am, are you guys in big cities? And are these numbers for a for a specific age group/ethnic demographic? I hear 300-500 is the average range for someone in early to mid twenties. 18-20 year old’s in my area rarely want to meet up and I think it’s because they are simply scared. I do mention in my profile that I am not interested in platonic arrangements. But then again, based on what I have read, 99% of SD’s are not, so why are there so many women on this site who would love to just do “casual activities” and wanting money for these?

    • The Truth says:

      The truth

  60. Sugarflower says:

    Anyone mind to share what’s the average allowance if a SD wants you to stay overnight?

    • Anonymous says:

      It depends on the cost of living in your area. In a lower cost of living area, probably about $300 to $500 for an overnight. If you are in a more expensive area, maybe $750 to $1000. I am assuming this is for a pay-per-meet and not a long term arrangement. There will be minor adjustments based upon the attractiveness of the parties involved.

    • Anonymous says:

      It depends. No more then 2x normal. Usually less.

    • Anonymous says:

      I have a babe here for 300$ but i dont have sagging balls..so ya know..it all depends

    • Anonymous says:

      I would provide the same allowance as any other date. The allowance shouldn’t be an hourly rate. Whether we spend an hour together or a night, the allowance would be the same. I would imagine there might be other gifts/allowances involved in an overnight (dinner, drinks, outfit or shopping) perhaps?

  61. Anonymous says:

    This is the reply after I’ve told a SB who has a “High” under her expectation that I’ve had a threesome with 2 models for 1600 (800 each)

    “Haha sucks to be those models, can’t even get a Chanel bag with that, just for reference. Low class rent covered.. Maybe! LOL
    No hard feelings, we’re obviously from different tax brackets”

    Delusions…Delusions…Delusions …

  62. SB says:

    I guess I’ve been lucky. I’ve only spent time with a few SDs, but ranged anywhere from low-end $500 for lunch hour (which is only 45 min sometimes), to $600/$700 for dinner and playful fun, to $900 & extremely generous gift for when I drove 30 min to meet my SD at one of his conferences for a couple hours. I’ve never set the $amounts or gifts, and have turned down 90% of my offers because I didn’t feel a true connection. I’ve been told every time that they can’t believe they met someone like me though SA (which I’ve expected it what they tell everyone, but feel flattered as they mean it as a compliment)… I’m very new to this, but if I broke it down to per hour, which in the past I never calculated because that wasn’t my focus, it would be around $600ish per hour plus some very kind generous gifts. Here’s the kicker, even though I’m repeatedly guessed to be 25-27, I just turned 40. Maybe it’s the fact that I look young, yet have the wisdom and confidence that comes with living. Best of luck to everyone, I think there is a fit for each person…

    • Anonymous says:

      Then Papa Bear said “who has been eating all of my porridge.”

    • Anonymous says:

      Yeah, right.

    • Anonymous says:

      I wish that I saw “repeatedly guessed 25-27, but I just turned 40” earlier… Then I would not waste time reading the rest.
      I am 45, but everyone repeatedly tell a me that I look young and handsome 25. That everybody, by the way, is my mum. She needs to wear her glasses, but she refuses.

    • Anonymous says:

      Me too. I’m 41 but people think I’m 31-32. Perhaps my body is still hot that most guys in their 30s and 40s are still attracted to me.

    • Anonymous says:

      Please contact me asap ! i have a great bridge with view on the water…best investment ever…i usually don t offer this kind of bargain…but for you and because you re a dumb fuck I will

      • SB says:

        I’m completely giddy over these responses! Everything I wrote is 100% true. No motive not to blow smoke. Bad news for you that are overly focused on age over how the person actually looks & a deep connection, don’t actually require ID, you’re in for a huge surprise. Probably as far off from the real age as you are when you entered your age. The beauty of having a brain, personality, & looks, we don’t deal with the bottom feeders who think they know it all. I’m worth way more than anything you could ever offer. Sorry, but true. I hope you are as happy in your world as I am in the real world, which apparently doesn’t only define quality by the age on my ID. XOXO

      • Anonymous says:

        If they value maturity and love the old, why did you explain your new-found success as “Maybe it’s the fact that I look young”?

        Why do you need to look young if you truly believe your SD’s love the old?

        Also, you are new to this according to yourself, yet you already have had several SD’s, each paying you $600/hr on average . . . Is it because you are not able to keep any of them or do you live a very very expensive living style? How about you are making them up and forgot to check math?

    • AnonMatureSB says:

      What age do you put on your profile? I am in my late 40s, but look mid 30s. I’ve been told that I’m beautiful and am a woman of substance, but then nothing. I’m asian, but I guess there’s a lot of competition with younger. I’m in LA County. There are a few other asians around my age, but not many. I don’t know their success rate, but I do know that I am better looking.

      • DC_SB says:

        I say be honest, but I think it depends where you live.
        I live in DC, and am about to be 39. Im great looking and look very young, but didn’t think I would get any attention, compared to the beautiful young things out there.
        Turns out a lot of Daddies (around here at least), see maturity as an asset. Yes, you still have to beautiful and sexy, but I think many men see my age as an asset. it didn’t take me long to find a great SD that spoils me rotten.

      • Anonymous says:

        As an SD I agree with what she just said (midwest bump)

    • The Truth says:

      I found more truth in a Harry Potter book.

  63. Anonymous says:

    There is an large population of girls, generally in the 18-23 age bracket, that, either are not serious/scared to do this, are hanging around on the site to see how many men want them, or are simply thinking and hoping they can get into a platonic arrangement where they will get paid a couple thousand dollars a month for playing card games/bingo.

    Are there men on here who actually pay these brats money to just hang out? A lot of these profiles disappear within a week or two. Such a waste of good talent 🙂

    • Anonymous says:

      There are a large number of SBs in that age range that aren’t serious, are looking for validation, are looking for someone to text, or think there is free money for having a platonic lunch. They usually flame out in a matter of days. I generally avoid that age range, but if there is someone very appealing in that age range, I will wait until they have been on the site for a few weeks before I message them. Saves a lot of time and aggravation.

    • The Truth says:

      18-23 year olds are immature. I get told “I heard about this site from a friend”. The friend must have read all of these $500 45 minute platonic lunch fairy tales.

  64. Anonymous says:

    A 40 year old (says “26”) grossly overweight (says “a few extra pounds) with s profile full of typos. Wants Substantial. Seriously…no, seriously???

  65. Randi says:

    Hi all!
    I went on a great first date with a great POT SD. Towards the end of the date, we spoke in generalities about allowance, etc. Nothing specific was ironed out, but suffice to say he says my wants are realistic and wouldn’t be a problem. We have texted several times just to chat and have our second date tomorrow night.
    My question is this: when should the allowance to kick in? Should the arrangement be discussed in detail prior to a second date? Or is that too soon?
    I’m not nervous about working out the amount, just curious about timing. I want to make sure I am not rushing him… but I want to make sure I am not being strung along either!

    • Anonymous says:

      If it’s a second public date (with no private time), this is fine. If he suggests/expects private time, the allowance should be decided and should start (could be in installations initially) at this second date.

    • Anonymous says:

      Basically from what I understand the arrangement starts when clothes come off. And the allowance is paid then. And then the question is, how do you NOT make this look transactional and awkward?

  66. RJ says:

    I have an idea. How about all of you keyboard warriors that talk smack from behind your keyboard go troll somewhere else. Or try being respectful to other people when you are not face to face with them and they do not have the opportunity to drop you where you stand. Keyboard warriors are punks and look weak. For any of you that want to talk smack to me because I’m being real about this, consider this. I’m not directing this at anyone personally; and that’s the difference.

  67. Anonymous says:

    Probably a very naive question, but are there any SDs who don’t necessarily want sex early in the relationship?

    • SB says:

      LOL good luck, no guy is going to pay for just companionship.

    • Anonymous says:

      The problem is the army of “SB” rinsers who want to scam SD’s into paying them in anticipation of sex “later”, without any intention of following through, and then moving on to the next victim when the current SD wises up. This pretty much eliminated the possibility for allowance without intimacy, even for legitimate SB’s who just need time to get to know the SD and feel comfortable. Without sex or allowance, some SD’s will go on for a few exploratory dates, but not for long since they have many other options.

    • Sam I Am says:

      There are all kinds of SDs, so be upfront. Then you will find out from responses the market demand for what you offer. It is an unfortunate consequence of site dynamics that you will also be a lightning rod for rude messages.

      Having said that, if an SD is willing to pay for a relationship of any time — sexual or non-sexual — one reason is to “buy his way up” to a type of relationship he might otherwise not be able to obtain: by youth, looks, discretion, no drama, uncomplicated sex, or whatever. So, due to the asymmetry of the cash flow, for every extra restriction an SB places on the arrangement, the SB will either reduce the expected compensation AND/OR reduce the quality of SD.

    • Anonymous says:

      No, there ain’t any. Next?

    • WABOT says:

      7 times out of 10 a lot of these men on SA are NOT going to respect your need for a slow paced relationship. They want intimacy when they want it especially when they are paying for your companionship. Play the same card if they are being pushy. Tell them you want your ALLOWANCE first and you have no problem with intimacy.

  68. Anonymous says:

    I’ve been on site for 4 months, and made friends with a few amazing women. And I mean as people, not just cosmetic. There are some wonderful people here. You can’t tell everything from the home page, but you can tell quite a bit.
    It’s also helped me to discover where my own true priorities are. Apparently it is very important for me to want a strong connection as people – you know, trust, friendship, common interests, considerateness, all those things – or else intimacy just isn’t worth it. I know that’s not the sentiment of many guys, but it’s mine.
    I’ve discovered one other thing:
    Humility, and a genuine absence of exaggerated entitlement, are the ultimate turn-ons. I bypass the obvious golddiggers, and it’s not because I’m cheap. I can be quite generous, within my limits, but I find my generosity is in inverse proportion to demand. Does anyone else out there feel this way? I’m much happier knowing that my donation is going to help (for example) a single mother struggling to pay the rent, buy groceries & diapers, and unable to work full-time because of maternal responsibilities, than in allowing someone to buy that $800. pair of shoes. I guess I’m just not here to fuel extravagance.

    And perhaps the biggest surprise is that I’ve actually found this here. What I was looking for, and figured would never happen.

  69. Anonymous says:

    Quick question: how can a SD message a SB without viewing her profile?

    • Anonymous says:

      The only way would be to reply to her message.

    • Anonymous says:

      Ask her… That simple.

      Are you going to come on as a funny daddy that can crack jokes in a seductive temperance? Are you going to be youth less you and confident based o. Your backing that she is ignorant to? Can you me her on your level and the. Elevate her to yours? The real question is…without reading her profile…Lead with what Daddy wants with a wee bit of deductive undertone and tame the Teed up tongue that flaunts sexual eroticism, unless she wcomes the un-tamed tongue. SB’s are like a box of chocolates. 🙂

  70. notstupid says:

    15 mins ago I pissed off a girl who talked to me for less than two days after she joked “After you sign your car title over to me you can date me”. I told her she could either delete my number or I would change it.

  71. poison says:

    Finding a good,rich, helpful and kind SD is going to be hard since a lot of cheap guys who make under 200k randomly think their money qualifies them to fuck young, pretty girls. But there are guys who want to provide for you. It’s sad people offer to fuck random strangers for 250 unless its survival but sugaring is essentially no survival. The year 2009 and lower were golden years for sugaring because it wasn’t know of as much. Girls could get 5k, cars, luxe shopping sprees and other things per meet easily because true and giving daddies were making 450k and up. But TV makes salty men and women join sites and of course expect much for bare minimum. But true rich and sweet daddies know how to spoil and are everywhere so if any sbs are reading this, you can find one and definitely get what you want and more.

    • The Truth says:

      So if I an old fat liver spots limp dick guy gives you MORE money, then everything is fine and you have self pride because you conned an old guy who can’t get laid?

  72. boo says:

    Hey people. It’s SA where you can put out there the allowance you want, and for men, what you can afford to give per month. What’s the big deal? Just put it out there. I put my expectations $5-10K and I get what I want. My current SD is paying me $6K a month. That is NOT including gifts, luxury trips to Europe, etc.

    I have never put “negotiable” if what you really need is a minimum a month? Don’t settle especially if you’re young and beautiful. For the record I’m 48 yo with two kids. He’s 39 Greek business magnate (inherited from his father, of course).

    And I got all this just because I was not ashamed of putting what I want out there, being honest and patient.

    • The Truth says:

      And Star Wars was a documentary. And unicorns fly around like birds. And the Cleveland Browns will go 16-0 and win the Super Bowl.

  73. B says:

    Hey people. It’s SA where you can put out there the allowance you want, and for men, what you can afford to give per month. What’s the big deal? Just put it out there. I put my expectations $5-10K and I get what I want. My current SD is paying me $6K a month. That is NOT including gifts, luxury trips to Europe, etc.

    I have never put “negotiable” if what you really need is a minimum a month? Don’t settle especially if you’re young and beautiful. For the record I’m 48 yo with two kids. He’s 39 Greek business magnate (inherited from his father, of course).

    And I got all this just because I was not ashamed of putting what I want out there, being honest and patient.

    • The Truth says:

      And Star Wars was a documentary. And unicorns fly around like birds. And the Cleveland Browns will go 16-0 and win the Super Bowl.

      • Anonymous says:

        And it’s a home run over the left fence as he rounds the bases arms raised. Truth! Truth! Truth! they chat.

  74. Immaculate says:

    Can a sugar baby ask a sugar daddy to pay off a student loan or a house morgage?

  75. Anonymous says:

    Hi, I am meeting a SB for a meet & greet. I am 38, tall, in good shape. The only reason I got into this is because I am looking for NSA and I have time constraints. She is 32 (I believe has a kid) she looks good based on pictures, but she immediately demanded 500 for her “intimacy time” using a text message. Now, I am not a cheap ass, but I thought this was somewhat steep provided that I promised her that if there was chemistry, I’d be willing to see her once a week.

    Any advice about this? I do have 2,000 I can spend on the arrangement but just felt 500 each meet was kind of steep. I could pay 2k if we met 6-8 times perhaps.

    • Katie says:

      It’s a catch 22, Guys don’t wanna pay up front for a whole month with someone they barely know (rightly so I might add) girls don’t wanna “put out” and not receive any sugar from a fake afterwards (again rightly so).

      The only way it can really work is a per date allowance until you have established that chemistry and trust going forward. My first arrangement we were on per date for almost 2 months, then bi weekly for a couple more then finally a monthly allowance the first of each month… just my experiences but I think the trust thing takes time as it should from both sides.

    • Anonymous says:

      Older women always ask for more money than the college ones. You should discuss it with her overall, for a month, and not per date. Unless these are overnights, 500 is high. If she is reasonable, she should agree to 2k for 8 and certainly 6 dates. I do not have time to see anyone twice a week (I normally see at least two people simultaneously) so my “per date” is higher. My thinking is, if she likes you, a couple more date does not matter, it is a monthly number.
      Since she is already talking numbers with you, you should negotiate. I find it pointless to talk about allowance b4 the meeting, since it may become clear within 5 minutes, she is not a SB material.

    • Anonymos says:

      You do sound like a cheap ass. Lol.

      • Anonymous says:

        I second that. 🙂 My SD gave me 2k up front on the second date and we were supposed to meet twice a month, but so far his schedule didn’t allow him to meet me the second time. 2k for 6-8 times/month? Wow, I would say “keep money to yourself, you can’t afford me”. lol

      • Anonymous says:

        Did he fly in on his magic carpet as well?

      • Anonymous says:

        @Anon May 14, 2016 at 7:34pm

        He may have already ended the arrangement with you.

      • Anonymous says:

        @Anon May 16, 2016 at 5:47pm

        Lol. Haters are gonna hate. His lifestyle budget is moderate, so giving me 2k/month for 2 meets is a good deal for him. Keep wishing he ended the arrangement with me. The truth is we are going to meet again this week.

      • The Truth says:

        He isn’t a cheap ass, you are just a dumb ass. Now that’s funny, lol!

      • Anonymous says:

        Apparently many of you on this blog are SD wannabes or salt daddies. Whatever a SB, you would try to attack them. What a bad luck for any girl who is approached by you guys. End of story.

    • Anonymous says:

      Ignore the asscort. You are ok.

    • Anonymous says:

      She’s giving you exactly what you asked for what’s the problem?

    • Anonymous says:

      If you have 2000 to spend on the arrangement see her 4x a month dummy

    • poison says:

      LMAO how salty!

    • Rick says:

      You could negotiate for 5x a month for 2k, but does she really sound like she’s gonna be much fun?

    • Mine says:

      You’re on the wrong site if you plan on being a cheap ass lol. Tinder may be a safer way to go and cost effective since you’re on a budget lol.

    • Anonymous says:

      @Risk – She is a hot and looks fit for a 32 year old mom. Not sure about whether she is a lot of fun or not.

    • Anonymous says:

      i say run from this one. I have had only one honest sb the rest have been liars just demanding money for nothing. If I’m paying a allowance we agreed on then i should not be hounded daily for money. Makes a bad experience.

      • Anonymous says:

        I think you are talking to an escort. Some have gotten pretty good at pretending to be SBs. Dump her ass!

      • johnny bg says:

        my thought are there are plenty of fish out there… she is way over priced. I think these girls are thinking they are worth so much more. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a cheap ass either. If you have 2K to spend, i would think you are looking at unlimited meetings… seriously… meet her as often as you can… i am sure you are going to see her every day..hold strong. I have found some many girls that will see me for 200. I am cool with that.

    • Ano says:

      She didnt ask to much, just go for it. Some girls asking 500/4hrs meeting and 700-1000/overnight. Dont be a cheap ass or dont be a SD

    • Anonymous says:

      Are these overnights? If they are, 500 is not unreasonable.

      • Lola says:

        overnight is 1000k he said so you think overnighting someone for 500k is normal?then don’t try to be a sugardad

    • Anonymous says:

      @ Johny BG – You must be living in a big city or these are the older women or minorities. From the posts I have read, it seems like many guys here have no issue finding SB’s that are okay with 300 per meet. 400 in places like boston or nyc. 500 vernights.

      200 is a great deal for a regular girl on this site. I have yet to find one.
      Most young ones aren’t even serious about meeting or simply scared.

      I think my city has way too many unreasonable/delusional women. (I live in North Carolina.)

    • Anonymous says:

      32 years…had a kid..not exactly premium sugar baby for that amount..Next!

      • WABOT says:

        What exactly is a premium sugar baby?
        Apparently according to Seeking Arrangements a “Premium Sugar Baby” is someone who is blonde, white/asian or a mix of the two, with green eyes, and blonde hair, with a modelesque figure, and a yoga instructor (you men like your limber women).

        When you find the unicorn let me know if she’s sane, literate, and NOT a gold digger.

      • Lola says:

        what is a prenium sugar baby,having a kid is a desease?dummy?what are you saying you mother doesn’t worth anything as she opened her legs to give you life that allows you to type stupidities lol

      • Anonymous says:

        Lola – he did NOT say it is a disease. he did NOT say that mothers are not worth anything. A premium sugar baby, typically, would be a girl in her early 20’s, in a great shape, no stretch marks, etc … you get the point.

      • Lola says:

        i am sorry but i am 31 i am in great shape i have a kid and i got no strecht marks, do you know that some men have them as well as omen without kids?

      • Anonymous says:

        women with kids are usually less available and our more likely to have baby daddy drama. Therefore, they are perceived to be less than premium. Just like a car with a few scratches and a small ding may be perfectly fine for transportation, but most people aren’t going to pay top dollar for it.

      • Anonymous says:

        Producing a baby from a man who is not able to pay for the maintenance of the baby and the baby’s mother is worse than a typical disease! Most diseases don’t last 20 years. It’s a cancer and the sufferer carries genetic propensity to give it to the next generation.

      • The Truth says:

        The truth.

  76. rio says:

    Love party

  77. Anonymous says:

    The reality is that I could offer a $60,000 per year job to a young woman who would then be obligated to work for me for 8 hours a day, 40 hours per week, and I doubt adding sex to the mix would be an issue. That pencils out to about $4000 a month after taxes.

    It is incomprehensible to me that some gals are asking for triple that amount or more to hang out a few times a month. It’s JUST as incomprehensible to me that other women think multi-millionaires are hard up for normal dates………yes even if they are old, ugly, married or fat. The real world doesn’t work that way.

    I sympathize with the women who are frustrated here but you need to manage your expectations more at a site where there are 5 women for every 1 man. I do have success but it takes about 20 contacts to find the one gem because of all the crazy demands.

  78. Anonymous says:

    The reality is that I could offer a $60,000 per year job to a young woman who would then be obligated to work for me for 8 hours a day, 40 hours per week, and I doubt adding sex to the mix would be an issue. That pencils out to about $4000 a month after taxes.

    It is incomprehensible to me that some gals are asking for triple that amount or more to hang out a few times a month. It’s JUST as incomprehensible to me that other women think multi-millionaires are hard up for normal dates………yes even if they are old, ugly, married or fat. The real world doesn’t work that way.

    I sympathize with the women who are frustrated here but you need to manage your expectations more at a site where there are 5 women for every 1 man. I do have success but it takes about 20 contacts to find the one gem.

  79. Anonymous says:

    I’m just doing this until I get 2300 for a lawyer to help my brother.

    • Anonymous says:

      You do not need an excuse for doing”it”.
      However, having this sort of sacrificial motivation is a terrible reason to enter the bowl. I suggest some other way to finance it, since you seem to think of sugar as some sort of dirty unholy pit you have to throw yourself into, to save your relative.

  80. anonymous says:

    How can I make sure he will actually follow through with what he says he will give me for an allowance?

    • guest says:

      Ask for some up front.

    • Anonymos says:

      Make sure he books a hotel locally to you and brings cash. No cash = no hanky panky. Also have a small personal alarm. No cash = activate, and he would have to face rape charges 😉

      • Anonymous says:

        You are imbecile, TLC. Were, are and always be an imbecile. You were born that way or maybe your mum dropped you and you hurt your head…

      • yougottabekiddingme says:

        “Make sure he books a hotel locally to you and brings cash. No cash = no hanky panky. Also have a small personal alarm. No cash = activate, and he would have to face rape charges ?”

        No cash = activate alarm, and he would to face rape charges?

        I hope that isnt a real suggestion.

      • Anonymous says:

        yes unfortunately TVC15 has suggested that more than one time. She also suggested if you meet a guy, he says he wants to date you, you have consensual sex and he never calls you that this is rape because he committed fraud, i.e. you can take back consent after the act has occurred.

      • The Truth says:

        Yeah that’s great. Make false statements to the police! Way to go women! You are really showing your true worth!

    • sbforsplenda says:

      Lay your eyes on the money before climbing between the sheets (I’m a sb as well, btw). I’ve had a few people try and be cheap-asses after the fact, and got completely burned once, so I learned my lesson. Guys who know what they’re doing and understand their part of the deal will have NO problem with this. Once you’ve seen each other a few times, you ought to be comfortable with him keeping his end of the arrangement.

    • Lola says:

      i exactly ask myself that question but as it s asked on SA i already have an answer here you won’t find any guy that will give you an allowance he will just pretend he will

  81. anonymous says:

    I’m a sugar baby who recently just started using the site. I don’t know whats enough to expect, or how to come about asking.. I’m trying to get comfortable with the whole asking situation but I don’t want to sell my self short. I’m a recent college graduate, student loans, cell phone bill, car insurance, and trying to get an apartment.. Any advice? :-/

    • Anonymous says:

      You should not be asking, that should be offered to you. Some men would wait till the meet and greet, it is ok, he wants to see you first. But you want to know what you will be getting before you step out of your panties.

    • Anonymous says:

      Ideally, you do not want to rely on your sugar money for basics. Basics have to be covered through other means. Say, you should be able to make a minimal payment on your loans on your own. Sugar could be used to pay it off faster.

    • anotherSD says:

      As a previous post said – don’t rely on sugar to cover your basic needs.
      Apart from that you should give serious thought to what you yourself would want in order to feel happy about taking on a Sd. That will be your starting point and at least give you an anchor to judge any offers. Don’t take less than what will make you feel happy or resentment will build and it will be a bad experience when it could have been great. Don’t forget to consider heightened personal care/beauty and clothing expenses when considering.

  82. Anonymous says:

    Just get laid on here for free. Several girls on here are cool with that

    • Anonymous says:

      Had a similar experience, but once only; she did not want to take anything.
      Truth be told, I felt really guilty (decided not to see her again, she was too far) and gave her something.

    • Anonymous says:

      Agreed 10% will be insulted if you offer money they just want to be treated well . The rest are escorts in a sugar baby clothing

    • Anonymous says:

      Well one girl came over and I made her orgasm 5 times, she told me it was the best sex she had. Never asked for anything and left … I thought it was a fair “exchange”

    • Anonymos says:

      Never count on making ladies come five times = they might be getting sore and rather have cash/car/etc

    • Anonymous says:

      Or you could just be stiffing girls. This isn’t OKCupid or Tindr.

    • johnny bg says:

      I’ve also met a girl that is just wanting a friend and not any compensation. I have offered a cash gift and some wine and other stuff… she doesn’t care what i give her. She is grateful for any of it… she actually likes to chit chat and hang out naked … i love that..

    • Anonymous says:

      I never gave allowances..As a matter of fact they would have been insulted If I’d offered. They just wanted to be treated well

  83. Anonymous says:

    Sometimes I get the feeling a lot of th girls sign up on SA to simply give a vent to their anger
    I suppose it is fun to be nasty to a guy who makes 20 times more then you, is in charge of a bunch of people and who probably is always treated nicely by people around him.

  84. Sugarbaby says:

    Recently I met up with a SD. I warned him before our (first) date that I was a shy person and that it’d take me a little bit to get comfortable. We met and he told me that he really liked me and that he understands that I’m shy and that he’s okay with how our date went. I, honestly, felt like I was not worth the time with him but he said he really liked me and he lead me on and told me that he’d be seeing me once a week or more. He wouldn’t let me talk about an allowance because he wanted to make sure we were compatible. He works with a company I know about and he claims he’s executive (which I believe since I saw his expensive car in the parking lot) and he also claims he travels a lot. After our first date I haven’t seen him since. We still talked, but recently he hasn’t messaged me because he’s out of state. Reason why I’m here right now saying this is because I want to ask, Do busy men dislike being bothered when they’re out of town busy with work? I really liked spending time with him. He is really nice and chill and it turns out I live close to him (though I didn’t tell him) and it’d be cool to see him more than once a week. He’s divorced so he never talked about being discrete. He talked about starting a relationship once, but if he’s changed his mind I don’t really care. I just keep wondering why he disappeared.

    • Anonymous says:

      Damn…He ghosted. Happens to guys way more than SBs. Advice…………….If you don’t understand why someone is doing something, it is not because you don’t understand, it is because there is something wrong with what they are doing, get rid of them.

  85. Anonymous says:

    Does putting ‘practical’ under budget attract more babies than “negotiable”?
    Also in your initial message, do you advice to include a suggested/approximate allowance?

    • Anonymous says:

      “No” on both. Just my .02

    • sbforsplenda says:

      Speaking as a SB, no. “Negotiable” is so commonplace that “practical” is kind of intimidating. I figure he has high expectations, and I won’t waste my time. If he reaches out to me after seeing me view his page, great, otherwise I don’t bother reaching out unless something really, really, really sticks out.

    • Anonymous says:

      Yes. Many babies search based on expectation. I, personally, won’t chat with someone who lists negotiable. IME they are really just minimal (or free) guys who won’t admit that.

      • Anonymous says:

        @OP. This is your additional bonus, listing negotiable. You won’t waste your time on the idiot as the one at 3.18. You will end up “nexting” her anyway, but it will cost you sometime. This way she even “personally, won’t chat” with you.

      • Anonymous says:

        well, I have to tell you that I put negotiable as my budget and there is a very good reason for that. i can’t speak for anybody else obviously, but honestly if you would pass on me because of that you would be making a big mistake. Maybe for another reason, fine, but that’s a very silly reason. Negotiable makes sense because every arrangement is different. Frequency, duration, distance are a few that can have a big impact.

        If you can only see me two or three times a month, the allowance would differ greatly than if you were available almost anytime I called.

        Negotiable makes sense

  86. Anonymous says:

    I am a baby and I am not getting a lot of messages, or if I do, men usually just stop talking after we exchange a few messages. Can someone check my profile and tell me if there is something there that may be a turn off? thanks


    • Bob says:

      Many men will be put off by your expectation of 10k a month. You are now seeking 1 in perhaps 100,000 that would do that. Those men are looking at 20-23 year old eastern European models that are very good looking but not scoring in the fashion or print industry. And finally you’re in NC. So put that all together and the response rate will be low and you will wait a long time for a response.

    • Rick says:

      Doesn’t seem like you can search on User ID any longer.

    • Anonymous says:

      Maybe your problem are with your messages not your profile ..just sayin’

    • anotherSD says:

      Your expectation is set at “High”. I expect that most men will not be interested in that level. They will set their searches for lower expectations and thus never see your profile, or else if they do see it, read it and give it a pass. This is not to say that you shouldn’t go for it but you have to expect that the vast majority of SD’s don’t have $120,000 a year [over and above all other expenses] to support a SB.
      The ones talking to you may just be testing to see if you really do expect that level or perhaps are willing to negotiate a lower amount.

    • Anonymous says:

      You are asking for “high” allowance which is like asking for $10K per month after taxes. That is the same as earning like $180,000 per year. So, maybe the guys you are meeting are not serious because so few can offer that kind of money.

    • BJG says:

      Profile looks fine to me and you’re attractive. Maybe change your expectation from high to practical/negotiable. High puts some guys off from the start, plus guys that can afford high want someone younger than 29. Or it could be the actual messages you’re sending.

  87. anonymous says:

    No allowance, per date is standard. Amounts suggested are for women who post minimal, practical or negotiable budgets. I don’t approach high budget women, not necessary and just insults them, so respect that. Take their budget seriously. Minimal or practical are women looking boy friends who help them out, that simple. Start out offer $150 for a 3-4 hour date with sex. $100 is possible, and these can turn out to be normal girl friend arrangements. Offer to chemistry meet first without conditions.The idea is repeat regularly dates.

    • Anonymous says:

      I don’t take anything seriously from someone wanting 10k so I ask if they are just trying to keep away the wanna be’s. Some say they didn’t know what to ask for and boom, rarely contacted girl will meet. To the bold go the spoils.

  88. Anomomomom says:

    Would an SD pay for a personal trainer?

    • Anonymous says:

      Unless she has sex with him, probably not.

    • Anonymos says:

      Most of them need one but recon they are “athletic” …. even if the tummy looks nine weeks pregnant on matchstick legs …. I used to advertise training and gave up due to sex harassment – it draws the worst types due to male trainer stereotype.

  89. Anonymous says:

    The problem is that some women are on SA mostly for entertainment. Like when they are being rude right away, and all you did, was saying “hi” to her. Reminds me of a regular dating site…where plain chicks quickly learn to behave like cheerleaders.

    • Anonymous says:

      Haha, exactly. From my expperience the girls in the 18-23 age group are just brats who have heard of this site from their “slvt” friend(s) that they can make money and quit their retail jobs, and then you have the typical attention seeking chicks who just hang out on the site every day for the ego boost.

      I also have a bumble account and I would say about 20 percent of girls I have seen on bumble are hanging out on SA.

      It also helps to live in a big city like NY or Philly as there are many universities there and women, in general, are more level-headed, independent and risk takers.

    • Katie says:

      I agree with you, but Men are just as bad in their own way. I have 3 public pics posted, yet many guys send me a private pic request, without even having said hi yet. Strikes me as rude, more so when they have NO public pics. If I don’t comply they get all snippy about I think I’m so hot blah blah blah..

      Or if a guys asks me a bunch of questions I’ve already answered in my profile I politely suggest they read my profile first, it might save some time on me repeating myself and them having to write stuff that they can already find the answers to. Again most guys get all pissy and say they don’t have time to read profiles…ummmmmmmm ok.

      It’s a minefield for sure, I’d say like less than 10% of the guys that message me are even remotely normal and polite… it’s becoming harder and harder to talk to anyone rational on SA

    • Anonymous says:

      I’e also made an observation that the “baby’s” who use ” (: ” instead of a regular ” 🙂 ” are NOT serious. They have this match.com/tinder mentality and I’ve learnt to avoid those. Anyone else get annoyed by the inverted smiley’s? haha

  90. Anonymous says:

    the true-ism wrote, you horde for your blogs, your books and your other ulterior motives. gag me. This place is old and treaded upon. #finite

  91. Anonymous says:

    All these comments from you broke ass boys make me think you wannabe sugar daddy’s would benefit more from an escort than an arrangement. Leave sugaring to the rich men, boys.

  92. Anonymous says:

    All my fellow SB’s DO NOT waste your time with “Eric West 74”! He is real, will send you photos, talk, text, everything. He will sweet talk you and be the perfect gentleman. He is a fraud! He will ask you to Skype/strip and send you money that disappears! Then he blocks his accounts from you so that you can’t even report him! BEWARE! He is a scam!

    • sugarbaby says:

      He messaged me. I copied your post and attached it to my report of his profile. 😉

    • Anonymous says:

      Lots of that going on here. Texting pics only to be ignored and blocked. Guys just using this site for free porn, so gross. And most women are under valuing themselves here. Most men don’t want to cough up $500 for a first meeting. I get paid $125/hr for my consulting services and no one asks me to take off my clothes lol. Ladies please raise your rates and let’s let the cheap asses go back to Tinder. This site is supposed to be for upscale arrangements, not by the hour hook ups-please remember that.

      • The Truth says:

        Stop talking about the fairy tale amounts. When the site gets 100% real again, things will be better for everyone. If you make $125 per hour, stay off of SA! Let a poor college girl, meet a nice guy who can help her out a little.

  93. Rick says:

    An arrangement is whatever the two parties agree to. I find it amusing that people on each side call down others for not seeking the same arrangement and ascribing the same motives that they have for being here to others.

    I am here because I am attracted to younger women. The traditional dating sites were a bust for me to meet younger women and the expectation here is that younger women will be willing to meet an older guy. (I am 60 BTW.) I don’t want an escort or a pay for play arrangement but more of a bf/gf relationship with a side of sugar.

    I have a budget that I can give to my SB easily and still have enough to live well and treat her to nice dates and some travel. My budget is set by my financial circumstances and does not vary with the lady. If I am interested she gets the same offer as all the other ladies.

    I want a woman who genuinely likes to be in my company, the allowance is simply to help her take the financial edge off of her life. To make it so she doesn’t have to work two jobs and will have time to see me and not be worried about financial issues all the time. It us just one of many way that will help the lady in my life.

    I am willing to date for a while to see if we are compatible but the allowance starts when we become intimate.

    I hint at the allowance in my profile and then state the allowance early in the first date, no use wasting time if the financial part is unsuitable for her. My expectations are clear in my profile as well. I want a relationship more than an arrangement and want to spend a lot of time and do a lot of different things with my gf. Travel nice dates and interring experencs are all part of the deal, not just the allowance.

    It is always amazing to me how many women do not read my profile and have totally different expectations on the first date. If you are essentially an amateur escort ad are only looking for a pay for play arrangement that is fine with me just you are not for me and I am not for you. Let’s just wish each other good luck in finding what we ae seeking and move on.

    • Anonymos says:

      As long as you are not trying to grab ass and force kisses in lie of allowance and travel to meet them first time … so there is no pressure … I find that guys who advertise want for “relationship” turn out to be the worst demanding types and expect you to put out for pretty much nothing but some dinner :/ No way Jose

      • Anonymous says:

        Your post is effectively admitting that you are not pretty enough.

        To be, fair, may complaints from guys may also be indicative that they are not paying enough.

    • Rick says:

      OMG, it’s another Rick. I totally agree with your process, though I’m not really looking for so much “relationship”. My allowance offers are basically the same for those women I’n attracted to. Like you, I can afford what I can afford, and I’m been very fortunate her on SA. Takes a while, you have to sort out the platonics, the pay for meetings, but there are some gems on here.

    • Tom says:

      Rick, I agree with you. I seek the same things you do. The arrangements I have had always started out great with plenty of appreciation from my sb for the extra mile I went to help them out. Inevitably though, the appreciation turns into expectation and they wanted more for less. They all seemed to want to spend less time and started giving excuses for changing or cancelling dates. But expected the same amount of giving from me. It’s ruined more than one potentially long term arrangement. It gets very frustrating because I am very generous and always go above and beyond what’s agreed upon.

    • Anonymous says:

      @Rick: where are you located and what’s your profile username?

  94. S says:

    I think most of the commenters here are men, am I correct?

    I’d like to weigh in as a woman (not a young girl looking for a free ride).

    Generally speaking, one of a woman’s basic needs is to feel safe, secure, taken care of. Would it be nice to have an allowance? Sure. I wouldn’t be here if finances weren’t a concern at this moment.

    But I would rather feel like a man cares about my well-being.

    For example, I need a new kitchen table badly…how would I feel if I came home to find a beautiful new table?!?! Incredible!! I’d be SO grateful!! Or find a gift card in the mail for something. Or if I mention a concert that I’d really like to see…ta da, tickets.

    I don’t want to ask for things or money just as much as you don’t want to use cash per transaction. I want something HUMAN.

    That being said…if you just want to use cash…I have some ideas or suggestions:

    ***As a Daddy don’t pay for a month up front, something could happen within that month and the arrangement fall through…
    ***Conversely, as a Baby, don’t give it away for free by waiting until the end of the month…the man just might not come through for you in the end.
    ***I suggest a weekly arrangement until you develop enough trust.
    ***Have a little container in the bathroom or kitchen that any cash or treasures can be slipped into so that handing over payment is not such a blatant thing.
    ***Or, once trust is established, what about a pre-paid credit card so that the woman can go to the spa and pamper herself so that she can ensure she looks good for you when you get together? Or buy things for your encounters??
    ***Or like someone mentioned…an online payment system. That’s an interesting concept I hadn’t thought of before. Cool.

    What do you men think?

    • Anonymous says:

      Get a husband. Start with the boyfriend.

      • sugarbaby says:

        Blunt, but true. Most of these men are too busy to sit and think about how to please you. They give you cash, or arranged deposits. You give them what they want. This whole, prince charming shit needs to be saved for a real relationship. Yes, it would be nice to be surprised in this way, but the fact is, it is just not likely in many arrangements. Hang out in high priced bars and find you a boyfriend if that’s what you’re looking for. You are wasting your time, the time of a POT SD, and mine, because they could be spending that time with a REAL baby like me, that wants to pamper them and help them relax after a long work day. I can buy my own table, and concert tickets on my own time.

    • Rick says:

      Very reasonable and thoughtful, your suggestions are great. The “sugar jar” in the kitchen is a great idea. As are your suggestions why Monthly allowances are often problematic.

    • Tom says:

      Speaking as a man I find your suggestions right on target. What I normally do if the arrangement moves into long term is have her open up an account at my bank in her name so I can transfer funds directly to her account. It’s fast, easy and since that account is in her name I’m not responsible if she overdraws, and she has no access to my account. It’s worked well in the past for me.
      In my last arrangement I allowed myself to start giving her advances for the next week because she was always needing something and coming up short. She wasn’t good at managing her money at all. She started skipping on dates with repeated excuses so I ended it.

      • Anonymous says:

        Once you get ahead of her, that is when she will bail and stick you, so keep it on keel.

    • exotic says:

      hello can we speak more?

  95. ellie says:

    I have just joined this and have a SD asking to meet but when do I start asking to be paid for meetings?

  96. Anonymous says:

    I’ve been here better part of 5 years. My experience is 2k a month has been adequate. Typically we’d see ea oth twice a week. I think bi monthly deposits seem to work best for both parties.
    I’ve had several successful relationships with top notch drop dead gorgeous ladies in their mid 20’s. Patience, approach and honesty p,at a huge role I being successful.

    • Anonymous says:

      Are you in the big metro city? That allowance translates to $250 per meet. That’s pretty darn good. I take these were intimate arrangements?

    • Katie says:

      Did I read that right?

      2k a month, 2 meets a week, 8 meets a month so basically 250 per meet? I wonder how long the meets are, geesh if they were 4 hour meets, that’s like 75 bucks an hour….good wage if it’s dependable.

      • Katie says:

        Oooops ok 62.50 and hour…. my original thought stands, if the SD was dependable it’s a good wage.

      • Anonymous says:

        Good thinking, Katie. Unfortunately, a lot of women would think “8 meets are too many” and “”250/date is too little”. However, if you enjoy your SDs company (isn’t that the point?), seeing him a couple times a week could be, like…fun? And 2k a month is a pretty good take home.

      • Average Joe says:

        Katie, I wish more ladies understood things like you do. I offer 1k per month, but only 2 meets per month – maximum of 4-5 hours each, so between $100 & $125 per hour, which is incidentally what I make as a consultant – but many of the ladies think that I don’t understand the “concept” of a SD.

      • sugarbaby says:

        Average Joe. If everyone on here were like you, there’d be no need to spend so much aggravation looking.

      • JS says:

        why do you guys divide the monthly allowance “per meet”, meaning “per hour”??? I had SDs before who paid me a monthly allowance and I saw him whenever possible…sometimes more than a few times a week, sometimes less, we didn’t keep “track”, and do the math….. what you guys are doing is like paying for sex, there is no difference at all!!!! pretty tasteless to look at it this way!

      • Tom says:

        Katie, you are definitely the exception to the rule. I was giving my last sb 1500 mth and we met 6 to 8 times a month for 2 to 3 hours. Plus I always helped her with other expenses – groceries, medical expenses etc. A couple months into the arrangement I furnished her with a vehicle, insurance paid. I had to take it back when she started racking up 150 to 250+ miles a day. I spoke to her countless times about it and she promised to back off but no go. I thought I was being extremely generous. I did that for 4 different sb’s then stopped because it was the same thing every time.

    • Anonymous says:

      Some babies would rather hear the monthly allowance figure b/c they start immediately thinking how they are going to quit their crappy retail job and be set. So saying I will pay 2K a month and want to see you twice is more “appealing” or enticing that I will pay you 250 per meet. Just my two cents.

    • SB says:

      LOL 2k a month to see her twice a week… you’re milking it. I’m glad you’re finding success but please do not call yourself a sugar daddy, escorting agencies run from 500 a night 250 is a joke.

    • SB says:

      250 a meet is a joke, get off the site

      • Anonymous says:

        @SB – you are a joke. Please go back to Backpage!

      • Anonymous says:

        Agreed! She’s another delusional one looking for unicorns with wings and SDs that give 6K per month. Come back to planet earth neither of those things exist.

      • Dr. Evil says:

        “I give my sugar babies 100 billion dollars per meet.”

        ~~~Dr. Evil

  97. Anonymous says:

    Google wallet was perfect for this kind of thing, but sadly Google is shutting down Google wallet in June .

  98. Anonymous says:

    What I love about this site, when you almost ready to give up, suddenly out of nowhere a new girl appears, we chat, we meet and we are in the arrangement. In a week’s time you go from noting to a lovely chick in bed next to you…I love SA!

    • Anonymous says:

      Do you do pay per meet arrangements? I am trying to get an idea what is a reasonable amount to offer someone who is 22-23 above average in looks and I want to spend 3-4 hours with her (dinner, netflix and chill)

      • Anonymous says:

        Why don’t you try offering her what you can comfortably afford but still an amount that will actually help enhance an improve her lifestyle instead of trying to find out how to low ball/nickle and dime her. For god sakes this shit gets old on both sides of the bowl.

        She’s a human being not livestock at an auction. Stop trying to put a price on women based on superficial bullshit. What does it matter what her age, looks, etc. Set a price based on how she makes you feel… on what value/pleasure having her in your life will provide/give you.

      • Anonymous says:


      • Anonymous says:

        You allowance should ideally be based on what you are comfortable parting with, not on her needs. Her needs normally are…bottomless (her boyfriend’s car is in permanent need of fixin and he wants that video game real bad). “Improving her lifestyle” is not your responsibility.

    • Anonymous says:

      I am not trying to low ball anyone here. Many on here would not even want to meet unless I tell them how much I can pay them. Which to me is very transactional in nature. As a general rule, should I avoid the ones who refuse to meet me face to face unless I start telling them what I am willing to pay them as an allowance? I think it’s sort of childish …

      • Katie says:

        Hey Anon,

        I have to be honest I would never consider a meet and greet of any kind unless we first had a chat to know the “range” of allowance the POT SD is comfortable with. I’ve wasted enough time with guys that seem great on paper and on SA, only to have to listen to offers of 150 for a couple hours of my time, that is insulting. But it’s usually the younger guys that think they shouldn’t have to pay because they are such “good catches” of course that is just my experience.

      • Anonymous says:

        Don’t worry about the “low-balling” attacks. There is sensitivity on the part of the ladies to a simple fact: Viewed as a market (which it is despite the negative connotation), the supply has increased much faster than the demand (serious SB’s compared to serious SD’s) over the past few years. Therefore, the allowance that is likely to be accepted has gone down, and is now much less than what the fee would be for an equivalent time commitment from an professional escort.

        No amount of shaming, indignation, or persuasion can change this fact. It seems to be such a hard pill to swallow that the moderator SB’s on reddit have instituted a rule that SD’s cannot even *discuss* getting more or paying less, regardless of how honest or civilized that discussion may be.

      • With A Bow On Top says:

        You should only dicuss what you are willing to offer her during a meet and greet or by the second date. You should always meet people in person because keep in mind different types of women/men will make you feel different ways. Plus what you might set as your minimum might change based on the experience you have. The amount you might think you want to spend is only the foundation of an arrnagment. Things can and do change over time.

      • Anonymous says:

        I usually want to leave the allowance set aside first before meeting the person, I think it would be uncomfortable for both of us to discuss that during dinner. If you have the means, then just offer whatever you can depending on how much effort she puts into it. If I don’t set an allowance first then I will meet thousands of dudes that are not going to be able to meet my desires. Is just a waste of time.

      • AA says:

        You find it childish to offer an amount. The ladies who are decent, find it childish that they have to “insinuate”; preferring not to HAVE to ask because you are indeed supposed to be a verified, authentic replication of what the site caters to. Then, there is the: “If you cannot be forthcoming in what you offer on a site that is to “supposedly” be a transparent locale of freedom…Then why are you here mudding the waters for everyone else? Cheapness of any nature (even if you are taken for a ride or taken for the longevity) is considered not from the heart and not with valor if you cannot willingly offer up something. The same goes for the female.

        If it goes a-rye and all is lost on both accounts, then the answer is given without question and you are sized up and discussed amongst peers (with or without) your consent.

        This is the nature of the law of the land of sugar, no different than business partners or future ventures. DO not continue to act as if it is not the norm, you look foolish to do so.

      • Anonymous says:

        generally, there should be an “off the clock” meet and greet to test compatibility and discuss arrangements. I use the “expectation” as a guide and ALWAYS figure on the top of the range.

      • Anonymous says:

        Yes avoid them. You guys should discuss a range before meeting but you shouldn’t give exact numbers until you’ve met in person.

      • Anonymous says:

        I am a baby. There are many kinds on both sides. I view it this way, you should not discuss arrangement prior to meeting, period! I try to make sure a daddy is for real before meeting but that doesn’t mean I have to talk arrangement. Maybe basic arrangement details before such as how often looking to get together, but not financial.

        My personal opinion, those may be the ones to avoid. For me, I chat a little, see if there is some compatible reason to meet. Meet a public place on a nice date/meet that is comfortable for him (depending on discretion needs). See if we connect in person, if we do not, I am not going to see that man. If it is about how much money for me, if that crosses my mind, then he is not someone I should spend time with. You can view this in reverse, if all she cares about is the money, is it going to be worth it? If we are favorably getting along on that meet, then we can discuss further, maybe talk more arrangement. I always leave the first meet without a decision so that I can remove myself and decide and let him know by the next day. For example, an arrangement that him and I connected well, he was a little lower than I wanted, so I proposed a compromise that worked well for both of us, still within his budget but it altered depending on how many times we met, it made us both happy with the situation. Someone that is not a sugar, will care more about how many hours and how much money… someone that is a sugar will still want specifics but should want more so that you will feel she enjoys being with you as an individual.

      • sugarbaby says:

        I want to make sure the SD and I are on the same page before I meet him. I am not going to waste my time meeting with someone just to later find out we have different expectations. Nor, would you want to buy dinner for a woman that wants more than you can or are willing to give her. Business up front is a pretty good policy for both sides.

      • johnny bg says:

        i had a great meeting the other day over lunch. It was fast and 45 minutes. We had great chemistry. We decided not to talk about a price as it would only cheapen the chemistry… she said i can leave a gift and if it isn’t working then we would rediscuss it as needed…. i like that idea… the whole idea about talking about a price and offering is like being a hooker… it really is… I’m sorry to say so. I have met many nice ladies on this sight. I have had so much good sex and i haven’t paid over 200 buck yet. But to tell you truth, if you are wanting to talk money before you meet somebody, that isn’t any better than an escort site… sorry girls… it is what it is.

  99. AnonSD says:

    What I love about this site is the honesty. And it is the purest expression of the western female I have come across (not literally of course). Being on here has done nothing to dispell the notion that every woman has a price and by god it’s cheap

    • NotAnonymous says:

      so…speaking on honesty…could you give me advice on my profile…?

      SA wont let me log in…but my screenname is HunniDarling.

    • Anonymous says:

      Hey man, there are tons who are asking moderate and substantial! Are these the delusional ones that need a wake up call? They say they have had “amazing arrangements” and will say they would get a $4 K allowance + spa treatments + gift cards. Not sure if these are out of the norm or there are men out there who pamper chicks like this?

      I am looking to see someone once a week (as my schedule only permits that) and want it to be an intimate arrangement, and of course I do not mind paying for dinners and such. Still trying to figure out if 300$ per visit is reasonable or not for an attractive SB? I can go higher but probably above $500 it’s going to be not worth it for me. I don’t live in a big metropolitan city.


      • Anonymous says:

        I been on this site for a while. I have noticed the woman who ask for large sums on money 5k+ per month , are what I consider regulars here.. Always trolling for the bug fish. While the reasonable girls hook up immediately, and don’t have time to visit here daily.

        Plenty of woman here in your price range.. It may take a while to find a quality girl at your price, but take my word for it they are here, with boobs and brains !

      • Anonymous says:

        I second that. Most “I get 5k” women are really…on this blog.

      • Anonymous says:

        thanks guys.

        I think if a SB has an arrangement where she was getting paid 2-3K a month and not required to be sexual, by default she will be looking for something similar. We all are looking for something similar OR better than our last arrangement/deal. Seems like it’s best to find someone who comes from humble beginnings and/or has had shitty arrangements and is happy to be with someone who will treat her well and pay a reasonable allowance.

      • Anonymous says:

        ”While the reasonable girls hook up immediately, and don’t have time to visit here daily.”

        While the reasonable and REAL SD guys don’t have time to visit here daily or worry ineffectively trying to haggle and nickel and dime allowance prices down for predators and discount John’s benefit bc they are too busy making money to care.

        There fixed that for ya.

      • Anonymous says:

        Men on here forget that if I wanted to make 300 per week, I WOULD TAKE A NORMAL PART TIME JOB and hook up with handsome boys my age that would still be courteous and treat me regular dinners and movies. You are probably old, busy, married, with kids and most likely ugly; girls here are usually young more beautiful than average, willing to put a lot of time/money in makeup, shaving, gym and salon, sometimes in college, so they are smart as well. So if you want to balance that out (because trust me, we wouldn’t even fucking look at you if it weren’t for the money) you have to pay, and pay a lot. If you think is too much, you shouldn’t be here, for real.

      • Anonymous says:

        If you can get one to respond ask her how much spoiling she needs and how long is her visit. I had some do $200 per visit for a few hours. Most are married but the hubby lets them play. The real young girls 18 to 21 want a lot more but you just have to stick with your budget because there are a lot women out there.

      • Anonymous says:

        Anon at 12.12
        Is obviously an idiot. A part-time job that pays 300 a week, with your qualifications is a server. That is at least 5 days a week, including weekends. Seeing your SD for s few hours and not doing very much…most real life women think is s great deal. Obviously not escorts who post here.

      • sugarbaby says:

        @Anon 4:44 YOU are obviously an idiot. Have you ever waited tables? A good server in an Applebee’s or a Texas Roadhouse, or somewhere nice like that can make $100 in one shift. Easy. So, yeah. Get a clue. She’s exactly right.

      • Anonymous says:

        Anon at 4.44 even that is better than having intimacy with someone 20 years older than me. Sure you can find a 30yo mother of 3, married, with no education that will accept your 300 because she has no time for a part time job as a waitress. If you want a real beauty with brains, then more than 3 zeros please.

  100. Anonymous says:

    I found a winner. I can only imagine how many speeding tickets and court fees of hers I have to take care of? LOL

    “What I’m Looking for
    Tired of childish boys that just want to mess with my head. Looking for something not too serious but just someone to have as a friend or even just someone to talk to, go out on dates with so I can get dressed up and feel good about myself. Someone who will compliment me but also respect me and see what happens (: I do like being sent flowers and I did just wreck my car and that needs to be fixed ):”

    • sugarbaby says:

      Wow, I’m sure a lot of men want to jump on that chance! Please, let me fix your wrecked car and tell you you’re pretty. LMAO.

  101. Anonomnomnom says:

    I put moderate just as “I’m not gonna ask or more than that.”
    Even the descriptions says “up to”

    But oh well. With what I’ve been reading from ya’ll, seems everything is a waste these days. I’ll probably have a better chance getting what I need from gofundme.

    • Anonymous says:

      It all depends on how old are you, you attractiveness level, kids/no kids, where you are, etc. Put negotiable. Also if you don’t care much about the age, attractiveness of your SD and are OK hanging out with older men, I am sure many will pay moderate, although I really doubt there are many out there.

      • Anomomomom says:

        Edit, I actually have practical. Not moderate. Let’s say I know my worth and it ain’t High! Lol.

        But yes I might just go back to negotiable.

    • Anonymous says:

      Think of it this way. For every “Moderate” out there there are 10 women who are happy with “Practical”. They are as young pretty and intelligent as the one that wants Moderate.
      You do the math – unless, of course, you were sick when they taught math at school.

      • Anonymous says:

        @ Anon 3:07 pm … I love the ones who just sign up and put “high” right out of the gates. Especially the ones who say they are pregnant and have 2 other kiddos, not to mention 30+ years old …

      • Anonymous says:

        No one was sick in Math class but you, el cheapo. Grow a pair and report back.
        Oh yeah, you cant…
        You cannot afford to be here in the first place. Duhhhh.

      • Anonymous says:

        Lol, I highly doubt it, it only takes 2 mins to create a fake SD account and see the competition. I had a practical expense at the beginning and got tons of messages, thankfully I decided to see first the other side of the pool before meeting anybody and guess what, girls that were as pretty and smart as me where moderate and high. So, supply and demand, now I’m moderate. I get less messages of course, but the ones I get are from SDs with real money and sometimes I even send messages. I rather have just one that gives me 5k, than having 6 that give me 500. You do the math loser.

      • Anonymous says:

        To the delusional SB who posted above me:

        Are you in the arrangement? Keep in mind that SD’s will send out offers but does not mean that they will pay you that money. 5k in Cash is equivalent to $100,000 yearly salary. Now, even if a SD makes $300,000 or $400,000 a year, why would he give you 1/3 or 1/4 of the money he breaks his neck to make??? For that money you better be having sex with him on demand, bring him other SB’s to play with and probably wash his cloth and make him dinner … and even then, you would still be expensive.

        300-400 per meet is plenty money, and this site is littered with SB’s who will take that and you will be left with ….. nothing!

  102. Mochababy says:

    I think it’s only right that an allowance is arranged. If you don’t believe that you should spoil and provide for the SB that is taking her time to make you happy, you’re crazy. I don’t expect a lot but I do live in the Silicon Valley and I do go to school, and these things are not fucking free. I work at one of the biggest tech companies in the world and still barely meet rent sometimes. If you arent willing to pay allowance, you shouldnt be on this website.

    • Anonymous says:

      The sticky point usually is how much…

    • NotAnonymous says:

      Agreed. I believe quite a few SDs here overlook the fact that some of us quality women also have very respectable jobs and daily COL expenses. We are making the same amount of effort, if not more, to take time out for you and make you happy. I also don’t expect much, but I do like to be spoiled or shown that you appreciate my time with you. No one likes feeling like they’re being used. Arrangements and agreements should be kept, the way they are discussed in the beginning.

      • Anonymous says:

        Respectfully, this is not your SDs problem. He does not, nor should he care that you are “making time” for him. He gives you an offer, you can take, reject it or negotiate it. Then both of you stick by these. That is why I try to avoid women with “respectable” jobs. You are not my girlfriend, you are not sharing in the household expenses. I only care if you can make a date on time and do what we agreed upon. Your “respectable” job is not my problem, nor should it be.

      • With A Bow On Top says:

        I think I will disagree here respectfully. If your SD wants to treat you like an employee, tell you to “Jump” and you say “how high” he is not looking for a Sugar Baby. You are looking for escort who will do what she/he told. Escorts are in the business of doing what they are told to do because they are getting paid a set price to do so. THEY set the price. Its not a negotiation. At that point you are a client and one of many at that. So unless you are into Domination don’t use the term SD/SM to justify telling people what to do because you’re giving them money.

      • Anonymous says:

        There is a high difference of opinion here.

        Is the realization that;”Your SB hustles the remaining men on this website and others to pick the apples off the tree when ripe?”

        Or, is the apple of your eye already right for the picking because her head stays burrowed in spreadsheets, calculating the dynamics of the variables…

        Who looks up at you when you call out and answer’s that;”She is right for the picking,for YOU.”

        Big Difference.

  103. NotAnonymous says:

    Just to pose a serious question really quick…obviously looking for real answers:

    When should the allowance start? Immediately? After a few dates?
    How do I bring up our previous conversation and agreement again about an allowance to the guy I’ve been seeing? I’ve already said something once. We’ve gone on quite a few dates but I’m not seeing anything beneficial yet. We’ve had our talks about expectations and so far I’ve held up my end of the bargain….but I haven’t been receiving anything…just dinner, which I could have very well just cooked myself. He’s always talking about how he’s blowing away money on all these building investments, but I haven’t received so much as a dime.
    Should I just leave him alone or would it be with a try to bring this conversation up a third time?
    I just need some advice.

    • Anonymous says:

      Arrangements normally start when you two go to bed. Another rule of a thumb, arrangements normally start on the second date, but 1-3 is within range.
      If he got sex and you got no allowance, something is wrong.

      • Anonymous says:

        Agree with “arrangement starts when sex starts” too many babies here wanting to get money for just showing up and keeping company. Maybe some old, creepy dude will pay, but otherwise, these babies need to understand what they are signing up for.

      • NotAnonymous says:

        I think I’ve been pretty forward. there’s an obvious attraction between the two of us. But I don’t want to push if he’s shy…not really sure what to do with this one.

      • Deutsch says:

        arrangements don’t start at sex
        that is escorting

    • AnonSB says:

      Painful to hear but I think you’re wasting time on a splenda daddy. Everyone makes the mistake at least once, get out now before you waste any more time is my advice

    • AnonSB says:

      For future advice, I usually bring up the general principle of an allowance before we meet. We don’t have to agree specifics, but if they’re totally opposed to the idea then it’s better that neither of us waste our time. Then, once you’ve met and decided whether you want to embark on something, establish the specifics. Sometimes a guy might prefer pay per meet (ppm) until you’ve been on a couple of dates, and that’s fair enough, but agree to reassess the situation after a set number of meets (like 4/5). All of this sounds really transactional and formal, but its about how you frame the conversation. It shouldn’t be a shock to them that you want to talk £££ when they met you on a website where they have to state their income and you have to state your expectation. If they’re acting shocked or annoyed that you brought up money then it’s probably because they hope you’re going to feel too awkward to bring it up again and they’ll get what they want for free. But just smile politely, say it was nice to talk to them and move on to the next one.

    • anotherSD says:

      I suggest you ask him straight out next time you discuss meeting “does the arrangement start now?”. I was asked this one time by a SB and I did not feel put upon or unhappy – she was only seeking to clarify what was happening and that was totally OK by me.
      If he hems and haws then he is only looking to get dates with a pretty girl for no expense save for the tab. If you have already had sex then meet if he says the arrangement is starting, BUT be prepared for him not showing up, or some sort of excuse not to start the allowance. Without exception if there is any delay or excuse get up, say how it was interesting to meet him, wish him well [even though you couldn’t care less lol], and walk out [so be sure to be in a public spot].
      He sounds like the type of “SD” whose actions create problems for legit SD’s. I have also met the opposite number in the SB population who are just grifting for free dinners.

    • Anonymous says:

      All of that should have been negotiated in the arrangement. I would bring it up. If he does not comply move on.

  104. Anonymous says:

    50k or 5k… What is the difference. I agree with Anon at 12.34, anyone can come here and throw numbers around. I have no doubt some girls get 5k and more, but most do not. If you post your SA profile, that will be more credible, but of course you won’t.

  105. Sam says:

    Hi, I am new to this site and there are some terms I’m not sure about.Wondering if anyone can help?
    I’ve been messaged quite a few times for ‘No strings fun’. Is this the same as in usual terms? Just asking for a casual hook up?

    • Anonymous says:

      Read old SA blogs and the reddit. Here is not very helpful at the moment. All depends what you want, but a genuine SB is unlikely to message this. Most likely UTRs and plain escorts.

    • Rick says:

      Weird term, it can mean most anything. No emotional commitment, do drama or no allowance. You can always ask them what they mean.

  106. sugarbaby says:

    Also, I have been contacted by FOUR “DIFFERENT” guys, or the same guy with multiple profiles and phone numbers? I don’t know. But always wanting to get right to the money talk, which would be fine, but within the first 2 text messages, it’s “I can put your allowance in your account before we meet” or something along those lines. Like, how stupid do you think I am? I’m not giving you my account info. Really? SA needs to do something about this cause it’s ridiculous!

    • sugarbaby says:

      I really don’t see why these guys are still around here….are you sugar babies really falling for this sh*t? Seriously girls, don’t be stupid enough to give out personal information. Come on!

    • SB says:

      Ask for e-transfer; just as good as depositing to your account but all they need to get from you is your email address and you can put it into whatever account you want without having to share real info.

    • Rick says:

      Google Wallet, or Amazon Gift e-cards work well too

      • Julia says:

        Google wallet ? how is that thing work, amazon gift e cards you can transfer the foundings in your personel account or you can simply use that cards on amazon?

  107. Anonymous says:

    The people that say girls getting high allowances are lying think they have money but they are just middle high class and shouldn’t even be here. I don’t even answer self-proclaimed SDs with >300.000 income. Go to match.com.

    • Anonymous says:

      I find it hilarious when a plain homely woman has Moderate or Substantial in her profile. Not only she is unattractive, she is clearly stupid.

    • SSSD says:

      @Anon 2:14pm

      What are you trying to say? You get “high” allowance out of someone making less than 300,000 a year?

      How many months at a time did you get out of each of your “high” SD’s? One month? 2 months? If you are with one on a long term basis (as in at least 6 months to a year), why are you answering any other SD at all?

    • sugarbaby says:

      That’s the “greater than” symbol…just so you know. Your statement says you won’t answer someone who makes more than 300,000. Maybe you should go to match instead.

  108. sugarbaby says:

    Why are so many guys on here fake af? A guy gets in touch with you, agrees on terms of an arrangement, decides on a first meet. Then gives a meeting place that doesn’t exist! I contact him to tell him this, and he doesn’t reply again! I don’t understand why you men do this! It is so frustrating! If you have no intention of meeting up with a sugar baby, DON’T MAKE PLANS TO!! It is honestly as simple as that! Stop being JERKS!

    • sugarbaby says:

      And sadly, this is not the only time this has happened to me. I have met up with one guy…after having made arrangements to meet with at least 7 others at different times. WTF!?

    • Rick says:

      It happens to us too. Arrange a meeting, make reservations at a nice restaurant, and when you text/email to confirm you never hear from them again. Plenty of fakes on both sides.

    • sbfromok says:

      In my honest opinion, I think they get big headed and set an allowance they can’t pay comfortably. Then instead of just asking to lower it, they get prideful and back out. I’ve had a few do that, then later on write me again and ask to meet for a much lower allowance.

  109. sugarbaby says:

    There are a lot of full figured women on this site. Do any of you find it hard to find a date?

  110. FD fan says:

    Read all about it…Fund dude,just dic* TVC down and make it rain on her while she salivates and pants for more. I am sure she will leave you begging. Either way. U two need to get it over with. Report back your success. Laters.

  111. fun dude says:

    Where did the normal blog residents go?

    TVC’s dumbass is the only worthless blog person that remains on here.

    It can’t be this bad can it?

  112. fun dude says:

    Holy shit this place has collapsed.

    TVC is as batshit insane as usual though.

    Thankfully I haven’t had to watch this place decline over the last few weeks

  113. Anonymous says:


  114. John Dough says:

    I have recently had two successful, long term arrangements and several shorter term arrangements in the interim. The first long term arrangement lasted 3 years and the second is still ongoing after nearly 2 years. I pay 300 per meet or 1,200 per month in advance for 4 meetings per month (I wait a couple of months before paying in advance to ensure reliability — I was burned once in a short term arrangement where, after seeing her 3 times, she asked for and I gave her an advance and she then promptly disappeared on me). If the SB wants or needs more than that, then I pay 300 per additional meeting, or 500 for an overnight. The most I have seen either SB in one month is 7 times. There have also been trips in which case I have paid 500 per day plus expenses. I have also given gifts for birthdays and Christmas, usually in the form of gift cards for Amazon or Macy’s for a few hundred dollars each. In general, these women have averaged between 20 and 30k per year from me. I am not demanding. Most of these meetings last no more than an hour or so. Therefore, 300/hr seems fair to me. Also, I am trustworthy and both women knew that I could be counted on to honor my end of the bargain and to be there for them when the need arose. Both of these women were college students when the arrangements commenced and were lower maintenance (their tuition was covered and they just needed a little help with rent and other expenses). I know that there are many women on this site who want more than what I offer, but in the past I have found that paying more does not translate into a better experience, at least not on my end. Older women tend to be higher maintenance and ask for more, even though their looks or attitude rarely justify a higher fee. For those men who can offer more and those women who demand more, then I wish you all the best, but this is what has worked for me.

    • Mochababy says:

      who are you??? *heart eyes*

    • Anonymous says:

      John Dough:

      Thank you for the informative report.

    • Rick says:

      I’ve had a number of successful arrangements from 6 to 18 months. $250-$300 per meeting, or a monthly allowance once we had established trust. My meetings generally last 2-4 hours, and often include dinner, a up-scale outing, as well as an intimate playtime. They were all 18-22, and I agree that older women tend to ask for more, I don’t really know why, and never asked. I’ve just been super happy with my experiences.

    • Anonymous says:

      cough cough there is the Macy’s reference and 300 ppm BS. We all know who this ‘Anonymous’ is LOL!

      • John Dough says:

        No, you don’t know who I am — I have never posted here before. And there’s nothing wrong with a Macy’s gift card, I have no idea why you or anyone else would object to that. Take some cough drops and relax.

      • Anonymous says:

        uh huh suuuurrrrreeeee

  115. IndianaSD says:

    You just can’t make this shit up. I messaged a newbie today whose profile promises to make any man’s sexual fantasies come true. Within the first 3 messages, she throws out that she’s just been diagnosed with leukemia. When I questioned if she could maintain an arrangement given her condition, she replied back in 30 seconds with, “although I can’t meet up due to health reasons, I’m sure we can work out a fair exchange.”

    WTF is the world coming to when girls claim terminal diseases to scam a guy? So, I’m playing with her a bit to see how far she’ll take this lie. I’ve offered her health insurance and also I’ll pay her deductible and out of pocket expenses. Funny, she hasn’t replied yet.

  116. Anonymous SB says:


  117. Anonymous says:

    “This guy offered me 1000 dollars for a date!”
    “Wow! How was it”
    “Well… He never followed thru. But 1000!!! Can you believe it”
    Two SBs talking. Now she will post on the blog that she was offered “2k” per date.

  118. Anonymous says:

    This blog always had, has and will have anonymous female bloggers claiming to get 50k/month allowance. Anonymity is an aphrodisiac for posting this kind of stuff… Yes, of course darling. We believe you.

  119. Bill says:

    I think many of the women have dollars in their eyes that are unrealistic.

    Here is what is realistic: A monthly allowance equal to the cost of a 1 BR apartment where you live, for getting together once a week. Start there, then add or subtract. If you get together irregularly, then maybe 1/3rd of a monthly amount each time.

    The amount is determined by what the SD can afford to part with, not what the SB wants. An SD who has more money than he knows what to do with will give more (there are not many of those). The higher one’s expectations, the smaller the SD pool, and the tougher the competition. You could hold out for $5k/mo and not find anyone for years, or you could find a super nice guy who is kinda cute and fun to be with for $600/mo.

    The variation is therefore the kind of guy the SB can compete successfully for. If she is a professional model, a natural blonde, or in some other way outstanding, she can obtain that rare SD who can afford a more, even a high allowance. If she is older, has kids, smokes, is black, overweight, uneducated, outside of a metro area, or has any number of less desirable characteristics, she can expect to do less than that apartment rent baseline. Not that there are not exceptions (don’t jump on me if you are a beautiful, smart black woman getting $5k/mo), I am talking about the distribution.

    Many SBs do not even want an allowance, but simply want a boyfriend who isn’t going to tie her down. Keep that in mind too.

    The challenge for SBs is to first identify whether the SD is serious. There is a segment of pretenders here who will lie to get into a girl’s pants (surprise!). If you have a real one on the hook, then try to understand his situation. His wife is going to get more than you, get past that. If you like the man, then go for it, regardless of what he can afford. If you don’t like him, then no amount of money should change your mind, find someone else. If you follow this advice, you will be happy and have a memorable relationship.

    • Anonymous says:

      $600/mo lmaooo. Why do you think women come here to find fun and cute guys so they can have nsa sex with them and then be discarded after 6 months. Don’t be fooled, sugaring does not lead to a permanent or serious relationship, so the more you get, the better.

    • Anonymous says:

      Bill, I’m ashamed we share the same name ..I prefer Will. $600 a month is a joke,even if you found a girl for $200ppm and meeting once a week that’s $800 a month, and not many girls on this site will agree to anything less than $250 ppm. Maybe I should move to Kansas where the cost of living is lower and $600 per month and government benefits go a long way.

      • hUH says:

        I have been with 20 girls on this site. All for 200 or less ppm. 140 is standard.

      • SB says:

        ew @hUH you clearly should not be on this site and seeing that you’ve already been with 20 girls it seems to me that you are looking for one night stands not a SB. get off this site lol you make other SDs look bad

  120. Anonymous says:

    The thing about: “I am not desperate so I am not going to settle for your measly 20 grand per month”. I am not desperate either. If everyone will ask 20 grand, I will just stop doing that.
    Truth of the matter – the time when everyone asks 20 grand, will never come.

    • cool says:

      Geez Lou-eez, u SCT like $20k just took a bite out of your side as if u had to sell your liver or some’thn. Maybe u should.omit omit sugar until you can sprinkle some on your love, luv. Just say’n.

  121. Anonymous says:

    Soo Naw we al hav to tipe with Baltic acent?

  122. Anonymous says:

    I tryed to poost a legitimaate thingg and it disappearedd. Wil thiss appearr?

  123. Anonymous says:

    Sugar is to escorting what uber is to taxis. Sugar brought scores of regular girls to the supply side of the market, and the result is better experience and much better rates for the “consumer”. I understand that escorts don’t like that, but taxi drivers don’t like uber either.

    • Anonymous says:

      SD here. The analogy is a bit off. I would consider escorts to be closer to an “on demand” pay-as-you-go service i.e., Uber. Sugar seems similar to leasing nice cars; including, a mid to long term agreement, regular payments, etc.

      • Anonymous says:

        I still like the Uber analogy. If only in a sense that it brought tons of amateurs into what used to be mostly professional and somewhat dangerous job, somewhat akin cab driving in the City…

      • Anonymous says:

        We know you like cheap alternatives to escorts but anyone who knows better stays clear of ‘SDs’ with such john and escort comparison attitudes.

      • Anonymous says:

        Agreed. Or compare it to AirBnb and the sharing economy that unlocked unused inventory…

  124. and i know it says:

    I got it. Save it amx sell it for income NC nofhiv else males u money. Good. Nothing else will b said.

    • Rrr says:

      As long as u mispel yore words. they publiseesh. The algort’m cannot allocate if wprdes are miapelled. Give or All wit tru power, they chose to publish eat, without ce’pn knowledge
      Onleey, ebonics passes thee test. Wake u e up.

    • gobner says:

      gob’ner. We fin’ly found our fix for thee enlite-o-n’ment. O’ Gob’ner, we b workin it. Call left posse, let’s floss.

  125. and i know it says:

    U fckrs, the comment was so sexually enticing, how could u ban such a request r u f’n gay?

  126. no ahbla espeniole says:

    No one likes the truth around here. If u are creative & tell it, get ready to be a mute in motion.

    You can say no habla. And they will show u the middle finger around here.

  127. sd with open eyes says:

    I have noticed recently that you cannot search for a profile name over the entire site, it will at most allow 1000 miles from a location. Does anyone know a way around this?

  128. Anonymous says:

    If the other guy pays less then you, it does not make him a loser. Maybe he is handsome. Maybe he is worldly. Maybe he is a great lover. Maybe he found a good deal. By your logic every successful businessman is a loser because he is…good at what he does?

  129. Katie says:

    This is a very interesting topic. I had one arrangement in the past and I have currently just begun a second one. My allowance request is always the same, 1k per date, the caveat is that I won’t spend any more than four hours per date. We can do whatever Daddy wants during that four hours, totally up to him. My past SD had no issue with that nor does my current one. I believe I’m worth that and they both do as well, I would assume. Don’t get me wrong I received a ton of turn downs when I stated my expectations, but that’s the key I don’t NEED the money so I was willing to wait. If you are using Sugar as your only source of income you need to take a good hard look at your life. Oh for those wondering on average I meet with my SD twice a month, so 2k a month in total.

    • Anonymous says:

      My allowance to be delivered is 2.5k/month + gifts and shopping. Dates are unlimited. Truth be told, is someone offered two dates a month for that amount…I would laugh, no offense…:).

      • Katie says:

        Hi Anon 😉

        No offense taken, like I said everyone has their own comfort zone. There are plenty of guys that laugh or call me names whatever, doesn’t bother me. I am willing to wait to find that right fit. I’ve had guys offer me a lot more than the 1k I as per date, but for various reasons I wasn’t comfortable so turned them down.

        Just like your offer of shopping and gifts, totally unappealing to me, I am saving up to invest in a business venture and they don’t accept shoes or gifts of any kind 🙂

        Glad you found the girls on the same page as you.

      • Vlamir says:

        I would hysterically cry at 2.5k a month. I hope to god you are not letting him in your pants. I’ve traveled out of the country on first class, only buy high end designer brands, have my car payed for, tuition taken care of, and on top of all that my SD showers me with 5k a month. Don’t judge others because they didn’t get the luck of the draw because people like me laugh at your lousy arrangement. Wish you the best xoxo

      • Anonymous says:

        When you say “dates are unlimited” are these “dates” sexual in nature. If yes, that’s a pretty good deal. I don’t want to pay someone to just hang out with me. I don’t mind taking a girl to shop or pay for dinner but if I am paying cash, i want the “date” to end in my bedroom.

      • Katie says:

        No offense taken, we all are looking for different things. You’d laugh at my request and I’d laugh at your offer. Nothing wrong with that, not everyone is a match. Glad you found what you are seeking.

      • Anonymous says:

        It’s good to know that Vlamir’s car is “payed” for—maybe use some of the $$$ to obtain a GED ?

    • Good for you princess xx

    • SSSD says:

      Katie, no offense intended, but if I were to see an offer like that, I’d refuse to bid altogether: it comes across as a professional provider.

      • Katie says:

        Hey SSSD, I don’t offend easily and I’m not sure how you see at as a professional provider. I have limited time available, if my limitations don’t work for the guy I’m talking to I fully understand, we part with no hard feelings. Just to be clear the 1k was offered TO ME, I didn’t ask for it to start. Once I had that with my first SD, that is what I requested as my allowance from future POTs.

        I always find it amusing when guys say stuff like no escorts or pros etc..etc.. yet they are paying for a girl’s time and attention and they for the most part want it to be sexual. Too many labels and too many shakes of black and white…to each their own.

        I know there are plenty of guys that don’t respond after they ask me for my allowance expectations and I tell them, but that’s a good thing why waste each other’s time if we aren’t a fit?

      • SSSD says:


        I have given my SB $10k/mo, after promising her only $3k/mo, simply because she had the need and I was in the position to help. That’s one aspect of the difference between a sugar relationship vs. escort-john.

        Most of my dates last less than 4hrs, however is she had set the rule that each date would last no more than 4hrs at the M&G, I would not have agreed to a single date after the M&G. What normal dating relationship did you ever have that would let you forsee each date as no more than 4hrs?

        When you started in the sugar bowl, I’m sure you had many offers. It was natural to pick the best offer. The problem with the $1k/time and no more than 4hrs offer is that, the man making such an offer is probably a “hobbyist” who has no intention of keeping you long. You’d be back in the sugar bowl searching again in a very short time. Since it’s such a short time, the offers haven’t changed much, now the highest offer is by definition lower than the previous offer. So you take up on that offer now, which had been the 2nd best previously . . . then the one after that in a short time. As you can see, such a modus operandi is essentially setting oneself up for worse and worse offers until one exhausts the local supply in a short time period . . . then going national or international?

        Male attention and resources in exchange for sex/reproduction from female is the basis of almost all male-female sexual relationships, including marriage, dating, sugar and pro*.

        Label is not nearly as important as substance. The fundamental problem with becoming an escort is that the profession has a relatively short career span, and has declining revenue unlike most other careers that have gradually rising income, which makes people content/happy. A constantly declining income is bound to make the person disappointed and unhappy later in life.

    • anonymous says:

      where are these daddies? lol

  130. Anonymous says:

    most of the guys who are commenting on here are losers. I will do an allowance or per meet whatever the woman wants. I have personally found that the per meet is better because otherwise there is pressure to meet a certain number of times each month, including during busy times (exams, holidays) and that chills the mood a bit. I pay a minimum of 500 per meeting plus spontaneous gifts and additional help in times of need. if you don’t have the dough to keep the girls happy get the f- off this site. I have not paid 1500 per meet but there are definitely girls on this site whom merit that amount and I would be willing to pay that but most are NYC / LA / London based models and I don’t live in any of those cities thus not accessing those girls.

  131. I agree with tallplayboy. I’ve never done allowances and my profile is clear on this. I have provided help with rent, lease payments, ins premiums, and tuition. Also all expenses when we travel— manicures/pedicures/spa services, cocktail dresses/evening gowns/shoes for that special occasion. I even paid a large vet bill recently. Many SB’s seem to like this arrangement better than a set allowance. SB’s should never be shy in asking for help. And there are some truly nice, attractive SB’s on SA who enjoy this type of arrangement as opposed to an allowance, but it’s obviously not for everyone.

    • Anonymous says:

      I thought his whole point was that he did it IN ADDITION to paying allowance. That is why he is such a nice guy. Otherwise, I do not see the difference. I pay you allowance and you pay your bills (or buy your boyfriend a new video game) or I pay your bills. I fail to see how one is necessarily so much better than the other.

      • TVC15 says:

        With the second option, the guy gets to control what the money’s used for. That’s the attraction.

      • maybe says:

        Maybe after all of your hacking endeavors to spy on your SB and swear up and down that she is spoiling an X-Box player. You and the rest, wake the *$% up and realize that its her kids and neighbor friends playing the X-Box.

        Them your pbyscho claims can calm down and the blog can finally resume to “easy on the eyes” as days of old. Sheesh.

        I am a sheik wrapping my turban on a long journey on vanity if I sat. listened. and believed half the just of this place. At least it is slow around here of I might actually give a dominance of belief here with a stamp.

    • Anonymous says:

      The money is yours, you earned. If you want to buy a new set of boobs with them, it is none of my business. However, @TVC is exactly the type who wants the guy to take care of her while she is taking all these feminist classes and learns more about her worth.

  132. Good Time Girl says:

    I’ve talked to soooooo many men on here. The problem is that they want to TALK for weeks and weeks and never actually spend. Like someone else said, this isn’t eHarmony. The women here want to be spoiled, provided for, or at the very core of it, Paid for their time. Call it whatever you want, but don’t come on this site, email me, and then get all self righteous when I want to discuss the financial aspect.
    Gesh, I’m not looking for diamonds to fall from the heavens or thousands of dollars a month, but I am also not looking for a traditional dating site, or I’d be on one!

    • sugarbaby says:

      That is true. And a lot of guys make you feel like you shouldn’t be asking about the financial aspect of the relationship….or they set up dates and never call again. If you don’t want to see me, don’t make arrangements to meet! Plain and simple! I could be pursuing the next arrangement instead of waiting on a daddy that makes a date, then doesn’t call to cancel and is never heard from again!

    • I believe that was me 🙂

    • SB says:

      Agreed! I’m on here – not on other dating sites – because I’m a student looking for help/support; I don’t have a lot of time to waste on back-and-forth emailing and chatting without making things happen in person! I left the site for a while because it was too much chatting and not enough follow-through, but I’m back now to give it a second try. 🙂

  133. Anonymous says:

    It’s the potential babies on this site who need an article like this, but more specific in order to be helpful to them. Any SD on here who actually has money knows the cost of living for the average person. Where I live, university tuition is $2500 a semester – that’s about $420 a month. Rent on a decent single room apartment is $600 a month. $1020. Get yourself a new car with payments of $400 a month we’re up to $1420. That’s every big bill paid for and still room for some spending money for the $1800 that the average girl on here expects to “help with her college”.

    Good grief ladies if we’re rich, we’re not stupid and we haven’t made a habit of getting ourselves ripped off. If anyone is agreeing to crazy allowances beyond a couple grand a month what you’re looking at is a guy who intends to never pay you or really wants you for one night. Time to get realistic and odds are you’ll find a guy who will not just take care of your needs but include you in his lifestyle as well. Otherwise say serving, slaving, and working for an average lifestyle just like those of us who are rich did.

  134. I’m not very impressed with many of the attitudes of the men commenting on this post. I’m quite surprised actually.
    I’ve had wonderful organic experinces, never had to do anything I didn’t want to do, been given the world as they were actual millionaires and money was fluid to them, someone like me in their life wasn’t. So it worked and I’m still friends with all of them, be their married, moved abroad etc. It’s all about positivity.
    This thread isn’t showing that.
    Maybe it’s because I’m English. Not that I’vemet a SD from here to be fair but the messages I get are from English men are all very nice! So good for you guys- the nice ones that is, Nice guys come first! x

    • Anonymous says:

      You found it – this is a great place to engage in fantasy writing about millionaires that gave you £100.000 just to see your smile…!

      • No they didn’t give me that much, but I was treated very well. They were very wealthy men. This was before I even knew this site existed

      • Anonymous says:

        No doubt, darling. Very wealthy. On your side of the pond a gent having fifty pounds to spend is considered very wealthy.

      • Where did you get that from? My SDs have paid me £500 for dinner, numerous times. English men are good, sexy and lovely and I’m proud of them!

  135. I couldn’t agree more. I’m not remotely uncomfortable talking about money, or anything actually, you have to know you’re on the same page. This isn’t Eharmony, it’s not better or worse, it’s an amazing website for the right people who are built for this kind of enjoyment.
    I got so fed up with the allowance thing not being discuseed that I’ve just ended up putting it in my profile, which didn’t seem very nice at first but I’ve already got far more appropriate for me people contacting me 🙂 xx
    profile name TheBabyBarbie

  136. atlantaguy says:

    What baffles me are the girls who want a slow dating pace or no contact, but still want money and benefits immediately. Pick one. If you want to get to know a SD, then don’t ask for money up front. If you want money, expect to get naked. I can talk to people for free all day long.

    • dont b says:

      Don’t be baffled darling. The above numbers clearly match. You MD the other men of this blog have coined women like a fountain toss for such a disdainful insane amount of time called decades, in exaggeration, that no wonder, women moved on asking for directions in realife by judgeing their mannerisms and their sleek physique. “In the making”, becomes so much sexier than: “those pimping and faking”.

      • by judging says:

        By judging the men’s mannerisms by their sleek physique and honest mannerisms of shy intrigue in person. No need for “pimp and fake the funk” of the blog any longer.

  137. Tallplayboy says:

    As a successful Sugar Daddy, I enjoy my relationships with beautiful, intelligent, and adventurous women I’ve meet on this site. Both parties must be happy with the financial arrangement to have a rewarding “sugar” relationship. SB often asked, and need, allowances, financial assistance, and more. For the SB that goes above and beyond for me, I will do the same for her. A recent example, my SB was in serious financial trouble. i paid her rent, her monthly cell, her health insurance premiums. When she lost her health insurance, I helped her to get new insurance. I bought her medications, which she needed. I bought her clothes and jewelry, which she wore on our dates. I paid to have hair done, pedicures, and manicures.
    In return, she did everything I wanted. She never said “No” and she was always available. I asked her to recruit other beautiful young women for three-somes. She introduced me to many women (who are not escorts or prostitutes), but attending her college). I continue to have “sugar” relationships that bring me much happiness and joy.

  138. FD Admirer says:

    where’s fun dude?????

  139. Anonymous says:

    I would be willing to bet none of the sugar babies who ask for high allowance of 10k per month will ever get it. What kind of a fool pays 120,000 tax free dollars a year for “companionship” ? If they do they should change the site name to “Seeking A Fool Who Won’t Be Wealthy For Long. “

    • Some girls are just that amazing and some men are just that sucessful x

      • Anonymous says:

        Just close your eyes and imagine. Try really really hard…see, it works!
        Yes, it is you with this handsome rich young dude, who thinks the world of you, in his Betley in Monte Carlo.
        Just do not open your eyes, darling. Do not be foolish…

    • Anonymous says:

      Yes because there are no fily rich people or Arabs who can afford that. Just go to tag the sponsor or the dirty or any other site of that kind and you will soon find out what the instagram ‘models’ really do.

  140. Anonymous says:

    It is ridiculous to say what the “absolute minimum” SHOULD be. It is not a union job. U can offer your services and ask for a remuneration you want. If men rush to you to offer you arrangements at 1500 per date, you are worth it. If men stop communicating with you after you name that ridiculous number…well, get a hint?

    • Anonymous says:

      It is not any more ridiculous than an offer you find suitable. Ridiculous, well, not very ridiculous if it happens. Which, it does.

  141. AnonSB says:

    I’m increasingly beginning to believe a lot of men on this site are actually not particularly well off, and are using it to take advantage of girls who are young and slightly naive, and pay them less than an escort for a lot more benefits. I’ve been on this site for a while now, and I can generally tell when someone is a splenda daddy, and I would say it’s about 80% of the guys that message me. This whole “I find an allowance/ppm too transactional, I want there to be a genuine attraction” is BS. The girls on this site are far above average looks wise, whereas the men are far below. Figure out what breaches that gap, and you understand why this website exists.

    Girls, my best advice is to value yourself and then these men will see the value. They spend all of their days doing business, and they will drive a hard bargain, so drive one back. Don’t be tricked into being taken advantage of, they are rich (if they’re not lying about their salary, as I suspect the majority are- seriously if you earn £620,000/yr then an allowance of £5000 shouldn’t be a struggle) because they push hard for the best deals. Be honest with yourself about how much you want, and don’t accept less.

    • atlantaguy says:

      Have you considered that the reason we have money is b/c we push for the best deals? Few businessman want to inherit a fixed monthly cost. Plus, show me a beautiful girl and i’ll show you a guy tired of fucking her. Its male nature. I don’t want to commit 5k a month to a girl who might not excite me as much next month.

      • AnonSB says:

        I literally said exactly that: “They spend all day doing business and will drive a hard bargain, so drive one back”

        If you get bored of someone, that’s fine, you end it. That’s why people are on this site, because they’re looking for unconventional relationships that can change without drama when it no longer works.

        Nothing I’ve said is incompatible with what you’re saying, you’re clearly just looking for a reason not to pay up, Splenda xxx

    • Rick says:

      Let’s consider the math here. £620,000/yr earnings, £5000 a month is £60,000 a year. That’s 10%. That’s a big chuck, considering the government is probably taking another 50%. Are there really that many guys that can toss out 25% if their take home for a once a week party?

      • Anonymous says:

        Oh man, if it were a once a week party, if only.

      • AnonSB says:

        Hahaha I feel you ^^ Anonymous. To be honest, I think 25% of a guy’s income after tax is pretty reasonable when most guys on here want you to be their girlfriend who’s available whenever they want (but not to get angry when they mess you around), their therapist to talk to about their problems with their wife, and their FB who will let them play out all their mediocre fantasies and pretend that they’ve really pushed your boundaries. Plus they want you to be 10x hotter than them, but not to acknowledge this disparity. That’s one heck of an illusion to keep up, honestly, these guys are getting a bargain.

    • Anonymous says:

      So…next time an Indian guy in a corner store charges you 50 ponds for a dozen eggs because he thinks you can afford it…u will be ok with that? You are not going to yell at him and call him a crook? You are not going to rush out to another store? All he did, he followed your advice…

      • AnonSB says:

        And next time you go to the corner shop and ask the cashier to have sex with you, and then let you cry about why your wife left you, for £200/meet, let me know how that goes. Xxx

  142. msblackkitty says:

    still learning the ins and outs but i seems to me that the men that i talk to on this site are not into giving an allowance. also they just want to “cuddle” right away. where is the excitement? i know allowances are earned but if you ask me what are my expectations, i tell them what i long for later on, i tell them the truth.

  143. Anonymous says:

    There are still good finds to be discovered, approached, convinced and conquered. I think it is worth the while…

  144. Azria says:

    My personal experince with budgets here is that guys have no budgets and want lots of free stuff- or worse yet- want to pay you less than a stripper/escort for ten times the work and attention. I’m waiting on the one who is authentic and knows the deal. Unlike many girls i’ve come across here, I’m not looking to use- i’m more of a you treat me right i go above and beyond, a caregiver by nature, love to make sure everyone is taken care of before myself.. that’s my personality. No flaking, no asking for more than agreed, no being a spoiled bitch with attitude. You respect me and I respect you. Where do i find honest, mature guys who know what his about. Honestly, i’ll pack up and move to your city.

    • brenda says:

      honestly these are all the Guys that say they are looking for an arrangement that has been using escorts .

    • SAvetSD says:

      The reason strippers/escorts charged what they did was that supply was very limited, because of the taboo/risks that stopped many girls from entering this business. Sugar has an abundant supply of regular girls. Not only is the experience with regular girls better than that with professionals, this also radically changed the market dynamics and rates in favor of the consumer.

      • Anonymous says:

        You people seem to miss the boat on this one. Escorts do not get to pick the people they sleep with. They dont get to see pictures of guys, they dont get to choose. Which is why, honestly, an escort is usually “costlier” then a SB. The difference is that in a sugar relationship, the SB gets to choose the SD. Honestly, I offer less of an allowance or PPM gift than most BECAUSE I only want a relationship with a girl who is attracted to me. I know that other SDs on the site routinely offer double and triple what I do, so if a SB starts a sugar relationship with me, I know she is at least marginally attracted to me. (And then I feel much more comfortable giving her more sugar anyway). Funny how that works huh?

      • Anonymous says:

        I always even tell the SB that I start things out low, on a weekly basis. It’s not about the sex for me, it’s about the communication and the interaction. If we have sex and have fun, she’ll keep talking to me. If we have sex and I don’t have fun, she’s gotten some cash and had a semi-positive experience. If we have sex and she didn’t have fun…well…that’s never happened, so I don’t know.

        It’s just like hiring an employee, you don’t say “this job pays $120,000 a year at the top of the bracket, so we’ll just start you there” it’s more like, “this job pays up to $120,000 a year, when you’ve proven yourself and your value to the organization. We’re going to start you at $1,000 a week. Prove to us you deserve the $120k”

    • PayingAttention says:

      Most of the people who use other people aren’t “looking to use” them. Everyone comes up for a rationalization for what they are doing.

  145. Anonymous says:

    Your posts are usually never helpful

  146. Anonymous says:

    SA, if you are reading this, please fix the sorting in your Search.
    It is very frustrating to look through 20 pages when one just wants to look at ppl who logged in during the last 3 days… It is not rocket science.

    • sugarbaby says:


    • Anonymous says:

      It used to be that way. In fact, I was trying to run numbers of active profiles locally because traffic seemed a bit slow on the SB side of things. Doing a sort for Moderate expectation level showed more Negotiable and Practical than Moderate on the first page.

      I think things have run off the tracks. It’s not looking good for the future as a SD on this site, unfortunately. I was just talking about my experiences with another blog persona the other day and realized I’ve had some decent experiences. But this is just stupid!

  147. Azria says:

    My personal experince with budgets here is that guys have no budgets and want lots of free stuff- or worse yet- want to pay you less than a stripper/escort for ten times the work and attention. I’m waiting on the one who is authentic and knows the deal. Unlike many girls i’ve come across here, I’m not looking to use- i’m more of a you treat me right i go above and beyond, a caregiver by nature, love to make sure everyone is taken care of before myself.. that’s my personality. No flaking, no asking for more than agreed, no being a spoiled bitch with attitude. You respect me and I respect you. Where do i find honest, mature guys who know what his about. Honestly, i’ll pack up and move to your city. Just be real- I am.

  148. Anonymous says:

    How would you boys recommend a girl like me approaches the subject of finances with a potential SD? I’m relatively new to this and I haven’t quite figured out the etiquette. If he asks ‘what are you looking for?’ should a girl reply with a detailed list, or just say ‘spoiling’ 😉

    • atlantaguy says:

      Spoil him. Make him want you. We are busy men and you have to work to get on the daily radar. The best SB I ever had would send me awesome pics of her which had me drooling at work and rock hard. So, yeah, i’m going to be more generous to someone I can’t get off my mind.

    • Rick says:

      You can push the SD to make an offer, if that’s more comfortable for you. You should also be willing to negotiate. If you’ve listed an expectation range, then try something at the high end of that. But be aware, the market sets the price, just like in stocks. If you’re asking $3000 a month and getting no takers, or only REALLY creepy ones, then there’s a message there. You’ve overpriced yourself.

  149. Anonymous says:

    Question: If anyone can please answer? Does someone have to be a premium member and have that orange tag below their name that says premium before they can message you or respond to any messages? Or, are there memberships that allow messaging without being labeled premium?

  150. FedUpAnon says:

    Why would you want to be generous to a platonic or a cam girl? I will spoil my daughters and nieces before a platonic!

    • Anonymous says:

      I am expected to be generous in return for nude photos. Everyone knows how hard it is to find nude photos on the Internet otherwise.

      • Anonymous says:

        I search for those nudes all day and can’t find any, so I decided to pay 100 dollars per photo. Also I have a sugar baby who sends me her used underwear (may not be hers) for 200 a piece. And also trying to work out an arrangement with an out of state sugar baby that wants 500 dollars a month just to text me (texting is unlimited according to her) … I love SA. Does anyone else have a better arrangement?

      • Anonymous says:

        LMAO Dude for $500 a month, not only will I give you unlimited texts, I’ll throw in a Skype session every other week ?

      • yougottabeanonymous says:

        Why would anyone want to unlimitedly text someone?

        Can’t imagine what text-sex would be like using Hushed, anyway. Talk about delayed gratification. Sex via pigeon mail might prove more climactic.

    • You’d be surprised! I’ve had 4 paltonic sugar daddies and they were wonderful people. I brought them back to life. It was very sexual between us but not sex. Maybe I was lucky 🙂

  151. FedUpAnon says:

    I was thinking of creating the website seeking platonic, but seeing as 100% of all my potentials have been platonic the last month I think SA has cornered the market. Now, I just need to find an SD/SB site.

  152. is anyone serious on here says:

    this site has gone to the dogs .






  153. Splenda Destroyer says:

    The ABSOLUTE MINIMUM is 1500 per date. So many of these “splenda daddies” are offering less than what the escorts are charging and expect more privileges. I hate that this site even has the option negotiable since most of these men don’t want to negotiate. There should be a feature where daddies make an allowance and arrangement offer in the first message for the first date.

    • Anonymous says:

      Nobody prevents you from asking 1500 or 10.000 per date. Whether anyone wants to give you that…you will find out.

    • Anonymous says:

      No girl is worth $1500 a date. That’s the hard reality. Look at what your monthly needs are for expenses, be honest with yourself, and that’s what you should ask for. Frankly, escorts are the ones who charge exorbitant prices. Most girls on here over value themselves by a lot, defend it by saying they need to pay their bills, and then expect the guys (who have gone to college, who have mortgages, and who drive cars) to believe that the girls’ lifestyle costs more than $2000 a month “just to get by”. Give your head a shake.

    • Anonymous says:

      You are correct about the lack of negotiations. These men when they hear an amount they don’t like whether its 1000 or 500 they turn tail and run. If its not in their ball park of 100 or 200 thats it for them.

  154. i spy the sky says:

    No wonder boredom has set in. You only reveal what u want to select people as an illusion

  155. problem is says:

    Def, the dude in the photo is not what I would call SD caliber. If a guy is counting out a couple 20’s, a 10 spot, and a fist full of “stripper” one’s, with a deuce on the bottom; he definitely does not have anything close to reasonable sugar budget!

  156. All seeing Eye says:

    No one liked that comment. Pshhh, such is life. Stopped caring.

    Oh look, its a tumble weed blowing by. Howdy partner to the inanimate object as usual.

  157. Anonymous says:

    As usually, absolutely ridiculous and patronizing…
    “You need to set your budget..” – thanks. I have no idea how to set my budget, that is how I got to where I am in life and can afford “throwing away” a couple thousand dollars on entertainment…

  158. ATLSD says:

    First and probably last.